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Cleared4appch 05-08-2022 01:26 PM


Originally Posted by Slow2Final (Post 3418788)
Again I’ll reiterate that this flying should be done at the mainline level. You keep talking about what’s best for “this place” or the regional model. I don’t care what’s best for the regional model, I care what’s best for pilots.

If there’s an inevitable collapse of the regional system because mainline is hiring all the crews, good! That’s the best way to leave it better than you found it.

So what do you think will happen if the regional system collapses? What’s going to happen to regional pilots?

Slow2Final 05-08-2022 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by Cleared4appch (Post 3419197)
So what do you think will happen if the regional system collapses? What’s going to happen to regional pilots?

You’re ignoring the reason that it’s going the way it is. It’s BECAUSE the pilots are being hired at mainline in droves.

Cleared4appch 05-08-2022 02:10 PM


Originally Posted by Slow2Final (Post 3419206)
You’re ignoring the reason that it’s going the way it is. It’s BECAUSE the pilots are being hired at mainline in droves.

So mainline will absorb the regionals and make them one company? I can see a lot of hesitation on the majors doing that.

Slow2Final 05-08-2022 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by Cleared4appch (Post 3419221)
So mainline will absorb the regionals and make them one company? I can see a lot of hesitation on the majors doing that.

They’re not *directly* doing that, but in effect, it’s already happening. They’re just doing it by decimating each others respective regional feeds, and not their own.

Approach1260 05-09-2022 03:37 AM


Originally Posted by Cleared4appch (Post 3418685)
That’s not what I’m saying. In fact, I did say at some point in my post that those guys should move on. Or I made the comment why would they stay if offered a major job.

What I’m saying is there doesn’t seem to be a clear position from management of what the long term solution is considering all this movement. They will obviously have to shrink the airline. But how much though? That’s just my speculation, that it will have to shrink. I could be wrong. To the ones who are up and coming, it’s concerning. We are keeping all our options open if the regional model collapses. For the ones who are getting calls and interviews and then moving on, that’s great. They’re in a good position, I think, for now.

But when we lose so many LCA’s then what? What’s the solution then? That’s what I’m asking. Just asking for some input. What have you guys been hearing that us newbies haven’t? Because a lot of us are wondering if we’ll even have a job in the next 6 -12 months. I don’t think regionals have ever gone under the water due to severe staffing shortages before, and it seems like that may happen. I’ve always been the type of person that likes to find solutions to problems, not just, “well, I know the industry is crapping on itself, but, it is what is” and not try to fix things where I’m at. I like to focus on the NOW.

Which brings me to my next point. What qualifications do you have to have to be selected as an LCA? I’d like to make PSA a better place in any way I can. If you wanna call it putting the cart before the horse like the other poster said, sure, whatever. I’m 100% focused on training, but I’m also looking for ways to ‘give back’ when I’m out of training and eventually upgrade. I’d like to leave it in a better condition than the way I found it. Is there anything wrong with that? If I’m eventually offered a position as an LCA, I’d probably take it vs working hard to put resumes out. Helping others is just in my blood. My stance is “I got this far, now I’d like to help others get here too.” Is it my goal to move on? Yes, absolutely. Do I think people should turn down an offer at a major or LCC and stay at PSA or any regional for that matter? No, I don’t.

The irony that I’m seeing in a lot of people moving on from regionals is “screw the regionals, to hell with them” when it was the regional job that was able to help them build quality 121 jet time with them, which ultimately HELPED them to get hired at a legacy. If it weren’t for the regional job, there’d be no major job. I get it. Regionals suck. But people trash their regionals and seem to completely forget that the regionals helped them get to where they’re at. Once the economy slows, and it will, I won’t really feel sorry for the ones who moved up to a major very quick and subsequently get furloughed, or they merge with someone else, etc. Remember, it’s a seniority-based industry.

A lot of pilots look like young kids in an ice cream store right now. Which, again, nothing wrong with that. But when the music stops, I think the senior pilots at regionals will be much better off with job security. People right now are acting like the industry won’t tank again, and seem to forget that the black swan event of Covid wasn’t that long ago.

Unless AA does something drastic soon I don't see how PSA will be viable in 12 months. Delta, United, and the LCC's are taking full advantage of AA's refusal to address their regional attrition and will continue to do so for the next year or two.

As far as news we've heard less than nothing from management. In the last townhall we were told quality of life improvements would exclusively be tied to a PBS agreement, which at the absolute earliest would be a year away which would be too little too late.

Welcome to the regionals get out as quick as you can.

CRJdriver2017 05-09-2022 03:56 AM


Originally Posted by Slow2Final (Post 3419206)
You’re ignoring the reason that it’s going the way it is. It’s BECAUSE the pilots are being hired at mainline in droves.

There’s still thousands of people at regionals. I think cleared4approach is asking about the ones who don’t get called.

Slow2Final 05-09-2022 05:57 AM


Originally Posted by CRJdriver2017 (Post 3419386)
There’s still thousands of people at regionals. I think cleared4approach is asking about the ones who don’t get called.

How many are trying?

Last FO I flew with said they weren’t close to upgrade. But they were also taking an easy month to study for their Delta interview.

Macchi30 05-09-2022 06:18 AM


Originally Posted by Approach1260 (Post 3419381)
Unless AA does something drastic soon I don't see how PSA will be viable in 12 months. Delta, United, and the LCC's are taking full advantage of AA's refusal to address their regional attrition and will continue to do so for the next year or two.

As far as news we've heard less than nothing from management. In the last townhall we were told quality of life improvements would exclusively be tied to a PBS agreement, which at the absolute earliest would be a year away which would be too little too late.

Welcome to the regionals get out as quick as you can.

Wednesday's town hall is focused on the current industry environment. I wonder if attrition will be addressed

Approach1260 05-09-2022 07:04 AM


Originally Posted by Macchi30 (Post 3419433)
Wednesday's town hall is focused on the current industry environment. I wonder if attrition will be addressed

If they don't address it, or if they give another non answer like last time then that's really all you need to know.

Throwitaway 05-09-2022 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by Macchi30 (Post 3419433)
Wednesday's town hall is focused on the current industry environment. I wonder if attrition will be addressed

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