PSA and other regional class dates
05-22-2014 | 06:47 AM
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I'm sure envoy or other decent regional pilots can make as much if not more due to the premium pay during your days off. The only saving grace in our contract is the scheduling section like pagey mentioned. We don't need to work on our days off to get premium pay. We just drop a 4 day trip and pick it back up and get 1.5 pay with same amount of days off as our original award. Or you can have 16-17 days off for the month if you need a break.
05-22-2014 | 07:22 AM
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I don't know what you are referring to in Eagle's contract that has been violated but I can assume it's the flow. I don't know anything about that but perhaps the language is a little grey.
So basically what you're saying is that the scheduling section of your contract was/is unaccounted for during negotiations and is still unaccounted for with management. Hence the reason your contract is not concessionary. But if you guys are doing so well with it, can't you foresee management making changes to it for their benefit. I believe AAG management has proven they will change things at their will only for a union to later grieve which takes months and years to resolve (at least at Eagle that's how it works).
So take away that section your contract would otherwise be concessionary and which is why they want to mirror your contract (without the scheduling section) for all other regional's. Would that be correct?
If I'm not mistaken, you guys have incremental increase YOY in insurance costs and pay caps. Which is to say each year you take a hit in pay and when the music stops in hiring, or someone gets stuck at PSA, they begin to lose money every year because of the pay cap. Would that also be correct?
So take away that section your contract would otherwise be concessionary and which is why they want to mirror your contract (without the scheduling section) for all other regional's. Would that be correct?
If I'm not mistaken, you guys have incremental increase YOY in insurance costs and pay caps. Which is to say each year you take a hit in pay and when the music stops in hiring, or someone gets stuck at PSA, they begin to lose money every year because of the pay cap. Would that also be correct?
The insurance sharing is definitely another concession. The full amount will take effect in 2017 and will cost me 8 dollars more a month than what I'm paying now. I'm single. The most expensive family plan is looking at about 40 more per month. So it's there but its difficult to argue that its significant.
It was not right for AA to come to us for concessions given their financial standing but I can understand why people at PSA voted yes. It benefits a large majority of the pilot group, and those that it negatively effects will, in theory, be at AA within a couple years whereas they had pretty much no chance before.
05-22-2014 | 07:36 AM
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Of course they've thought of ways to change it, that doesn't mean they can change it. The same way they can't just say "welp I think we're actually going to pay everyone $1 less per hour next month".
I don't know what you are referring to in Eagle's contract that has been violated but I can assume it's the flow. I don't know anything about that but perhaps the language is a little grey.
I never said our contract wasn't concessionary. It certainly is. What I'm asking is, why all the PSA bashing when we are still in the top 3rd of regionals compensation wise? We gave a little to get a little. Our union has a longer term strategy where they think they can get not only increased hiring requirements from the new AA but also some give back on the concessions.
The insurance sharing is definitely another concession. The full amount will take effect in 2017 and will cost me 8 dollars more a month than what I'm paying now. I'm single. The most expensive family plan is looking at about 40 more per month. So it's there but its difficult to argue that its significant.
It was not right for AA to come to us for concessions given their financial standing but I can understand why people at PSA voted yes. It benefits a large majority of the pilot group, and those that it negatively effects will, in theory, be at AA within a couple years whereas they had pretty much no chance before.
I don't know what you are referring to in Eagle's contract that has been violated but I can assume it's the flow. I don't know anything about that but perhaps the language is a little grey.
I never said our contract wasn't concessionary. It certainly is. What I'm asking is, why all the PSA bashing when we are still in the top 3rd of regionals compensation wise? We gave a little to get a little. Our union has a longer term strategy where they think they can get not only increased hiring requirements from the new AA but also some give back on the concessions.
The insurance sharing is definitely another concession. The full amount will take effect in 2017 and will cost me 8 dollars more a month than what I'm paying now. I'm single. The most expensive family plan is looking at about 40 more per month. So it's there but its difficult to argue that its significant.
It was not right for AA to come to us for concessions given their financial standing but I can understand why people at PSA voted yes. It benefits a large majority of the pilot group, and those that it negatively effects will, in theory, be at AA within a couple years whereas they had pretty much no chance before.
05-22-2014 | 07:47 AM
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The TA signed has some major issues.
One is that we have a 12 year pay cap. Not everyone at PSA has a pay cap of 11-12 years. But just those who are under the 10 year mark.
The problem with this is that we belong to a union. And we should all be treated equally. Now why does a senior Captain deserve 18 year pay ($10/hr) and others don't? It goes against the whole philosophy of the union.
The SAP is great but it isn't without the problems. Just don't plan on changing your schedule around if you have a medical or training due. Huge flaw that our MEC has seemed to have given I up on.
On paper our 12 year Captain pay is equal to endeavor. The lowest in the industry. Yes you can make more with the SAP but if you drop down to 65 hrs and don't pick up any time you will be getting paid 65hrs at the lowest rate in the industry. Our per diem is also one of the lowest.
But.... If you want to work hard to make extra money then the opportunity exists. For now.
But having a job that pays the mortgage is great. We have seen Mesa and Republic grow on the airways side. Look what JO did with Mesa pilots. How many gotlaid off?
Republic with a 10 year old contract.
Focus on helping them get the SAP and we will all be in a better place.
One is that we have a 12 year pay cap. Not everyone at PSA has a pay cap of 11-12 years. But just those who are under the 10 year mark.
The problem with this is that we belong to a union. And we should all be treated equally. Now why does a senior Captain deserve 18 year pay ($10/hr) and others don't? It goes against the whole philosophy of the union.
The SAP is great but it isn't without the problems. Just don't plan on changing your schedule around if you have a medical or training due. Huge flaw that our MEC has seemed to have given I up on.
On paper our 12 year Captain pay is equal to endeavor. The lowest in the industry. Yes you can make more with the SAP but if you drop down to 65 hrs and don't pick up any time you will be getting paid 65hrs at the lowest rate in the industry. Our per diem is also one of the lowest.
But.... If you want to work hard to make extra money then the opportunity exists. For now.
But having a job that pays the mortgage is great. We have seen Mesa and Republic grow on the airways side. Look what JO did with Mesa pilots. How many gotlaid off?
Republic with a 10 year old contract.
Focus on helping them get the SAP and we will all be in a better place.
05-22-2014 | 08:06 AM
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The TA signed has some major issues.
One is that we have a 12 year pay cap. Not everyone at PSA has a pay cap of 11-12 years. But just those who are under the 10 year mark.
The problem with this is that we belong to a union. And we should all be treated equally. Now why does a senior Captain deserve 18 year pay ($10/hr) and others don't? It goes against the whole philosophy of the union.
The SAP is great but it isn't without the problems. Just don't plan on changing your schedule around if you have a medical or training due. Huge flaw that our MEC has seemed to have given I up on.
On paper our 12 year Captain pay is equal to endeavor. The lowest in the industry. Yes you can make more with the SAP but if you drop down to 65 hrs and don't pick up any time you will be getting paid 65hrs at the lowest rate in the industry. Our per diem is also one of the lowest.
But.... If you want to work hard to make extra money then the opportunity exists. For now.
But having a job that pays the mortgage is great. We have seen Mesa and Republic grow on the airways side. Look what JO did with Mesa pilots. How many gotlaid off?
Republic with a 10 year old contract.
Focus on helping them get the SAP and we will all be in a better place.
One is that we have a 12 year pay cap. Not everyone at PSA has a pay cap of 11-12 years. But just those who are under the 10 year mark.
The problem with this is that we belong to a union. And we should all be treated equally. Now why does a senior Captain deserve 18 year pay ($10/hr) and others don't? It goes against the whole philosophy of the union.
The SAP is great but it isn't without the problems. Just don't plan on changing your schedule around if you have a medical or training due. Huge flaw that our MEC has seemed to have given I up on.
On paper our 12 year Captain pay is equal to endeavor. The lowest in the industry. Yes you can make more with the SAP but if you drop down to 65 hrs and don't pick up any time you will be getting paid 65hrs at the lowest rate in the industry. Our per diem is also one of the lowest.
But.... If you want to work hard to make extra money then the opportunity exists. For now.
But having a job that pays the mortgage is great. We have seen Mesa and Republic grow on the airways side. Look what JO did with Mesa pilots. How many gotlaid off?
Republic with a 10 year old contract.
Focus on helping them get the SAP and we will all be in a better place.
The training thing can be fixed by dropping the carry out trip that touches your month of training.
They haven't given up on anything, they gave solutions.
You don't have to "work hard" to make extra money. I'm at ~95 hours for may with 18 days off. I'm right at 65 hours block.
Some people definitely got screwed by this deal and you are one of them considering your longevity. You also have a very good chance of being at AA within 2 years. If you don't want AA well you already got hired somewhere else so there's that=)
This deal is not perfect, and probably should never have happened but we are also not pinnacle, or even close.
05-22-2014 | 03:26 PM
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05-22-2014 | 03:40 PM
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