Originally Posted by Braniff

COMAIR - extremely senior pilot group, topped out on pay scale, shut down, airplanes spread out to ASA, Pinnacle, MESA, Chautauqua, shuttle America. REPUBLIC group votes no five years later with Comairs flying and you all praise them "WAY TO GO REPUBLIC WOO HOO, HOLD THAT LINE." Maybe PSA can fly envoys 700's and in 5 years say no and you all can praise them.

CONTINENTAL EXPRESS/EXPRESSJET - senior group, top scale, great contract. Once spun off from continental ownership CAL axed 60 jets and awarded them to Chautauqua(now republic) whom everyone praises now for voting no. Well maybe PSA can take envoys planes and in 5 years vote no and you'll praise them! NOW EXPRESSJET with the refusal of cuts is now parking an additional 35? This year and 55 ?next year.

AIR WISCONSIN - senior group, great contract United said cut pay or your done, they refused cuts United axed them faster than you can say "piedmont vote no". United then took that flying and gave it to Skywest/shuttle America/ASA. 5 years later they all vote no and they are heroes? Maybe PSA can fly envoys 700's and in 5 years vote no and they'll be praised HEROES! Only reason whiskey is alive today is because they (company) paid US to play, contract is up in 2015

does anyone see a pattern here? OH YEAH......ENVOY

ENVOY - extremely senior pilot group, top of pay scales, flying being shipped out to REPUBLIC "hey how is our miami base and flying republic, thanks for voting no and holding that line" shipped out to SKYWEST(of whom operates their US 200 flying in PHX that took MESA's flying all at a loss because it was cheaper than letting them sit in the desert....GREAT COMPANY) but they are holding that line " hey Skywest in eagle titles, how's our DFW, ORD, flying, thanks for holding that line I look forward to applying because your respected for taking our flying" shipped out to COMPASS ( oh wait they are an awesome pilot group it's ok you can have our flying and future because you guys voted in enhancements!). They got eagles flying because a new younger pilot group on the bottom of the pay scale can double their pay and still be cheaper than Envoy. "Hey compass how's our ORD flying, thanks for doing a great job holding that line, I look forward to applying there to fly the same routes I have been flying the past 20 years"

You really can't read the writing on the wall..............
- regional industry with no solid unions, 800 different carriers, the old/senior/highest paid WILL be recycled into newer younger lower pay scaled companies if they don't play by their mainline's playbook.

Wait, I know what your saying Compass, republic, ASA, etc didn't take anyone's flying it was givin to them............YOUR RIGHT! BECAUSE YOUR YOUNG AND CHEAP

PSA is a 450 pilot group, extremely young, 5% top of scale. YOUNG AND CHEAP hence 47 of Envoys planes were taken from top of scales to younger 2 year pilots. PSA pilots did not scheme together to your planes. They played by mainline's playbook to secure NEW 900's to secure their future and not wind up like the top. You forget we stood up for you guys, this industry before, voting no TWICE for 900's starting in 2006.......they took them to republic made them 175's and we furloughed, went on welfare, lived in mommas basement...but "bit hey republic thanks for holding that line with our planes awesome group love them" Then before our voting was concluded, you called us names, threatened etc etc etc, he'll you all probably convinced many of us to vote yes, why would we want to protect you any further? you guys didn't give a s@/$ about us then when we furloughed and suffered NOW all of a sudden you care?

Originally Posted by billyho

Really?? The old farts will love it! Don't making flying sound so hard. They'll just have to remember they can't turn a 4 mile base at 2000' and still expect to land it on the numbers.

Originally Posted by PilotCrusader

PSA/Brownstreak: Junior group of selfish excuse makers. Right now they are hiring anyone with a pulse. I have met some of their new hires: they are idiots. Soon, those idiots will be pushed way too fast into the left seat. With an idiot in each seat, a plane full of innocents will die. It will happen.

Originally Posted by BSOuthisplace

Yea just post the F/O pay. Cause we all know that F/O pay is really good everywhere else except Piedmont.

How about 12 year Capt on a dash 8-100 to a 76 seat jet. $22 per hour raise with this LOA. But I guess that one doesn't support your argument so we'll forget about it .

Originally Posted by texaspilot76

I'm sick and tired of hearing all of you Envoy pilots bashing other pilot groups for your problems. You all had an opportunity to vote for an agreement that would give you all job security, but you all chose to not to accept it. The loss of your flying and aircraft are purely from your own decision not to accept the company's offer. You can not go blaming others for your own decision.

A side note, PDT stand to get a huge raise if they vote in jets. The pay will be way more than their current turboprop rate. I fail to see how that is a concession.

Originally Posted by CaptKrunch

I am glad all the comair guys who are junior fo's can hear from you that they are idiots. Maybe the ex-world guys are the same to you, Or the eagle/gojet/republic guys we have hired. In the last 6 months I have flown with one new hire that was new to the industry. But I am guessing that doesn't fit your narrative that PSA can't find people. If I am worried about anything it's not finding people it's the fact they the people we are hiring already have the time to go to a major/LLC.