PSA new hire failure rate.
10-07-2014, 04:44 PM
#161
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 205
Originally Posted by TallFlyer
You guys really need to take a moment and think about the incentives in play here.
If a company is going to spend 30-40K putting you through training and out to the line what good does it do to have any higher of a failure rate that is absolutely necessary?
If a seniority list sim instructor is training you, why is it to his advantage to fail anyone junior to him? I'll concede that you can't entirely eliminate bad apples, but do you really think given the money that the company is investing they're going to let any ol' sim instructor just throw away 30-40K just because the instructor is a d bag?
Seriously, use your heads people.
For anyone without any 121 experience going through a training program, I guarantee you that so long as you can keep track of three things at all times in the sim, you're going to do fine. Those three things are:
1. Where you are
2. Where you want to go
3. How you're going to get there
Having been through two 121 training programs, I've watched people go from never being having flown with a flight director and multiple red screens on session one, to passing an ATP ride by number 9 or 10.
Show up, study at night, spend at least one night on the weekends imbibing your adult beverage of choice, pay attention, drink coffee if you have to, and cooperate and graduate.
This isn't rocket surgery.
Edit: read this too.
If a company is going to spend 30-40K putting you through training and out to the line what good does it do to have any higher of a failure rate that is absolutely necessary?
If a seniority list sim instructor is training you, why is it to his advantage to fail anyone junior to him? I'll concede that you can't entirely eliminate bad apples, but do you really think given the money that the company is investing they're going to let any ol' sim instructor just throw away 30-40K just because the instructor is a d bag?
Seriously, use your heads people.
For anyone without any 121 experience going through a training program, I guarantee you that so long as you can keep track of three things at all times in the sim, you're going to do fine. Those three things are:
1. Where you are
2. Where you want to go
3. How you're going to get there
Having been through two 121 training programs, I've watched people go from never being having flown with a flight director and multiple red screens on session one, to passing an ATP ride by number 9 or 10.
Show up, study at night, spend at least one night on the weekends imbibing your adult beverage of choice, pay attention, drink coffee if you have to, and cooperate and graduate.
This isn't rocket surgery.
Edit: read this too.
By far the best post I've seen. Thanks bud
10-07-2014, 04:46 PM
#162
BlueYonder
Joined APC: Jul 2011
Position: On Top
Posts: 258
Originally Posted by Turboprop
I just feel sorry for my friend, he should of got another opportunity.
yes he is HISPANIC, the sim partner a Minority, both with great rudder skills, did not get the chance to move on. Also he stated that the other crew also Minority did not make it. on his own word he stated that what i posted here before. ( I am just the messenger, please don't kill the messenger!)
They had to end their airline career very short, they gave 3 months out of their life, put 150% effort in to the training, bot of them in the mid 40's age range with family to feed. its just not fair. They could of got more training, its just my opinion.
He need to just move on, he still angry about it, same with the other crews, they are now trying to go back to their old flying job.
yes he is HISPANIC, the sim partner a Minority, both with great rudder skills, did not get the chance to move on. Also he stated that the other crew also Minority did not make it. on his own word he stated that what i posted here before. ( I am just the messenger, please don't kill the messenger!)
They had to end their airline career very short, they gave 3 months out of their life, put 150% effort in to the training, bot of them in the mid 40's age range with family to feed. its just not fair. They could of got more training, its just my opinion.
He need to just move on, he still angry about it, same with the other crews, they are now trying to go back to their old flying job.
The training department at PSA does not tolerate discrimination based on age, sex, race, or religion. They really can't afford to be that picky. Your "buddy" if he really felt discriminate has options to appeal a Checkride failure to both PSA and the FAA. If "he" not "you" but "he" thinks "he" was unfairly tested.
10-07-2014, 05:00 PM
#163
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2009
Position: Left Seat
Posts: 373
Originally Posted by Pilot Sharp
Airlines only purpose is to make money. Right now PSA HAS to fill pilot slots, or else they will not be able to staff aircraft which = lost contracts = lost $$$. A student that gets washed out of the program at the very end of his SIMs is a complete wast of time and money for PSA. This whole situation that you are describing sounds very fishy! However giving your "buddy" and you the benefit of the doubt he does have some options.
The training department at PSA does not tolerate discrimination based on age, sex, race, or religion. They really can't afford to be that picky. Your "buddy" if he really felt discriminate has options to appeal a Checkride failure to both PSA and the FAA. If "he" not "you" but "he" thinks "he" was unfairly tested.
The training department at PSA does not tolerate discrimination based on age, sex, race, or religion. They really can't afford to be that picky. Your "buddy" if he really felt discriminate has options to appeal a Checkride failure to both PSA and the FAA. If "he" not "you" but "he" thinks "he" was unfairly tested.
I agree 100% with your statement, but its very very difficult to proof that in court, if that was discrimination on his case. no attorney would want to take that case, that just painful to deal with all that.
He does not want to deal with airlines at this time, I don't blame him. he is mad, no doubt about it.
At least he has two options now, the one you mention and the other one its just to let it go and move on with it.
10-07-2014, 05:12 PM
#164
Line Holder
Joined APC: Oct 2014
Posts: 62
Originally Posted by Turboprop
I agree 100% with your statement, but its very very difficult to proof that in court, if that was discrimination on his case. no attorney would want to take that case, that just painful to deal with all that.
He does not want to deal with airlines at this time, I don't blame him. he is mad, no doubt about it.
At least he has two options now, the one you mention and the other one its just to let it go and move on with it.
He does not want to deal with airlines at this time, I don't blame him. he is mad, no doubt about it.
At least he has two options now, the one you mention and the other one its just to let it go and move on with it.
10-07-2014, 09:02 PM
#169
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 84
Originally Posted by TallFlyer
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Show up, study at night, spend at least one night on the weekends imbibing your adult beverage of choice, pay attention, drink coffee if you have to, and cooperate and graduate.
This isn't rocket surgery.
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