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DangaZone 12-05-2014 10:29 AM

The world needs ditch diggers, too...

WannaBeDriver 12-05-2014 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by ArcherDvr (Post 1776917)
(1) Initial and recurrent training records.

Directly from advisory circular AC120-68F, chapter 4. TRAINING RECORDS. If they include grades, or any notes, future employers will be able to see them. I'm telling you, I know firsthand.

Have you seen your pria with the instructors notes?

tom11011 12-05-2014 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by FaceBiter (Post 1776899)
What about list all employment history in the last 10 years? Gonna lie on that one too?

You are not an employee during training at all carriers, some yes but not all. This is why I say you have to first know what all the details are so you can answer the questions being posed by a new employer.

Here is some examples.

1.) Let's say you have a misdemeanor on your record but you pay to have your record sealed (expunged). Your application will ask if you have ever been convicted of a crime, how do you answer? If you went through all the trouble of having your record sealed, would you not answer that question as no?

2.) Your medical application wants to know if you ever had a severe headache. Haven't we all had a headache before? Who gets to decide whether its severe? Some people might take an aspirin for a headache but others never take anything. Does that mean the people who take an aspirin should fill out their medical and check the headache box, thereby setting themselves up for $50,000 in medical bills?

3.) You are at training at a regional airline. Your wife calls and tells you that she's in the hospital with abdominal pain, she's pregnant. She's under a good deal of stress since you are away for 6 weeks. You elect to leave training in the middle on your own accord. Did you fail training?

Now before you answer, which of you is fully qualified to give the correct answer to these questions. I'm not interested in hearing opinion or discussion on them, I just want one of you to tell me the correct answers.

AluminumFoil 12-05-2014 10:31 AM

You do realize you have posted your resume essentially in past posts right? Also that you interview at a certain Dash operator next week. O AND you have FAILED 2 121 training programs without disclosing anything. I am sure they could figure out who you are based off that info. Might want to rethink your strategy.

FaceBiter 12-05-2014 10:32 AM

I've seen it man, it actually has a video and audio recording of every sim session, briefing and oral. Good luck! Came in a three DVD collection.

PCLCREW 12-05-2014 10:37 AM



Originally Posted by AluminumFoil (Post 1776906)
Did you tell PSA about XJT?

There was nothing to tell
Yes there was... I don't know what I'm doing and I'm gonna fail out of your training.

FaceBiter 12-05-2014 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 1776925)
You are not an employee during training at all carriers, some yes but not all. This is why I say you have to first know what all the details are so you can answer the questions being posed by a new employer.

Here is some examples.

1.) Let's say you have a misdemeanor on your record but you pay to have your record sealed (expunged). Your application will ask if you have ever been convicted of a crime, how do you answer? If you went through all the trouble of having your record sealed, would you not answer that question as no?

2.) Your medical application wants to know if you ever had a severe headache. Haven't we all had a headache before? Who gets to decide whether its severe? Some people might take an aspirin for a headache but others never take anything. Does that mean the people who take an aspirin should fill out their medical and check the headache box, thereby setting themselves up for $50,000 in medical bills?

3.) You are at training at a regional airline. Your wife calls and tells you that she's in the hospital with abdominal pain, she's pregnant. She's under a good deal of stress since you are away for 6 weeks. You elect to leave training in the middle on your own accord. Did you fail training?

Now before you answer, which of you is fully qualified to give the correct answer to these questions. I'm not interested in hearing opinion or discussion on them, I just want one of you to tell me the correct answers.


Airlines want to know what you've been doing the last 10 years, school, helping a sick family member, failing out of 121 training programs, leaving 121 training for a legit reason, whatever....

Call them an employee or not, if you were paid, attend or even filled out new-hire paperwork... there is a paper trail. The funny thing is some airlines don't complete the process of verifying your claims until you're almost done with training, probably why this guy hasn't been caught yet.

Grrrr 12-05-2014 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by WannaBeDriver (Post 1776908)
There was nothing to tell

You don't think the hiring department would liked to have know you had just failed out of XJT's initial training before spending thousands of dollars on you? There was definitely something to report. Lie by omission is still a lie.

Listen, training failures happen, it's unfortunate but they do and a lot of times it's to good people. Sometimes it's to good pilots who just can't put it together at a quick enough pace. I've been through that training department recently and saw how much they worked to help ppl with good attitudes who helped themselves. Heck, I needed a couple extra myself and they went above and beyond to make sure I was more than ready for my checkride and safe for the line. If they didn't even let you get to the checkride it's either bc you were seriously lacking in at least some area of your flying or your attitude was awful. Not saying that to be cruel, but you need to figure out which it was before you move forward and add a 3rd issue.

ArcherDvr 12-05-2014 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by WannaBeDriver (Post 1776908)
There was nothing to tell

Have you withdrawn or failed to successfully complete any part 135 or part 121 training course? Please explain

Straight from the PSA application page. I think what happened at XJT qualifies.

Herb Flemmming 12-05-2014 10:37 AM

You guys are just jealous that he is gonna be the highest paid 1st year F/O in the regional industry.


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