PSA Pilot Moral Low
05-05-2015, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by fisherman
There is no longer Legacy AA management. When USAir took over, Legacy AA folks got kicked out. USAir management equals AAG management.
I mean, I realize PSA pilots are somewhat disconnected from reality....Twenty years to interview at AA anyone?
But this seriously takes the cake.
05-05-2015, 11:25 AM
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Well when you hire 600 pilots within 12 months then you'll have that issue. That's why the SSP is supposed to increase to match the pilot group. Hence why we are meeting to increase the number.
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05-05-2015, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by fisherman
There is no longer Legacy AA management. When USAir took over, Legacy AA folks got kicked out. USAir management equals AAG management.
05-05-2015, 11:28 AM
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I think you guys give DP too much credit to think that he is intimately aware of the details of the WO regionals' hiring preferences and that he has some grand scheme, or vision for the regional carriers at AA. The truth is he probably had little idea the number of PSA pilots that move to AA every month. From what I've heard PSA was already in negotiations to improve the SSP, and from what I've seen come out of these Crew News Q&As legit concerns like this one are addressed. A new LOA might get fast tracked now because of that Captain's well articulated question/concern.
I honestly think that AA management has no long term plan for this shortage short of pushing for regulatory change (ATP rule). You can see it in the way they place these small band aids (signing bonuses, SSP, flow, commuter clause changes, referal bonus etc.) on this gushing wound and I think their labor relation advisors have them in complete denial about the impending operational meltdown that may come as soon as this summer.
I honestly think that AA management has no long term plan for this shortage short of pushing for regulatory change (ATP rule). You can see it in the way they place these small band aids (signing bonuses, SSP, flow, commuter clause changes, referal bonus etc.) on this gushing wound and I think their labor relation advisors have them in complete denial about the impending operational meltdown that may come as soon as this summer.
05-05-2015, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Skyvector
I mean, I realize PSA pilots are somewhat disconnected from reality....Twenty years to interview at AA anyone?
Once you show me someone that has been at Envoy for 5 years flowing to mainline, I will believe you. Until that day... a day that will never come... I will continue to just call you a troll.
05-05-2015, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Skyvector
Correct. But of course, "facts" are just an inconvenience to PSA pilots. How in the bloody hell could they not know that AAG management is ex US Airways management?
I mean, I realize PSA pilots are somewhat disconnected from reality....Twenty years to interview at AA anyone?
But this seriously takes the cake.
I mean, I realize PSA pilots are somewhat disconnected from reality....Twenty years to interview at AA anyone?
But this seriously takes the cake.
Kenji Hashimoto was AMR before the merger and is now VP of Regional Carriers for AAG. Explain to me how is he USAir management? He is also likely most connected to the process.
05-05-2015, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Skyvector
Incorrect. Doug Parker and AA have repeatedly stated that flow to mainline is their recruiting tool. Something they can offer new hires in lieu of increasing pay. This is public and has never been a secret.
Now, why PSA only has interviews and not a flow..I don't know. The fact that it will take a PSA new hire 20 years before they can interview doesn't seem to be a concern for Parker. His "I'll look into it" remark to your recruiter was like a dad tossling his little boy's hair and promising him he can drive the car tomorrow.
Parker knows it's 20 years. He knows everything that goes on and none of it is by accident. PSA's pilot numbers vs their 4 interviews a month resulting in a 20 year wait wasn't a surprise that just sprung up out of no where. Anybody with a calculator could have crunched those numbers a year ago. You don't think the head of the world's largest airline, a multi-billion dollar corporation doesn't know this?
Now, why PSA only has interviews and not a flow..I don't know. The fact that it will take a PSA new hire 20 years before they can interview doesn't seem to be a concern for Parker. His "I'll look into it" remark to your recruiter was like a dad tossling his little boy's hair and promising him he can drive the car tomorrow.
Parker knows it's 20 years. He knows everything that goes on and none of it is by accident. PSA's pilot numbers vs their 4 interviews a month resulting in a 20 year wait wasn't a surprise that just sprung up out of no where. Anybody with a calculator could have crunched those numbers a year ago. You don't think the head of the world's largest airline, a multi-billion dollar corporation doesn't know this?
05-05-2015, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
This is by no means a troll post, but I have heard the 175 rumor from more than one person in the training department. I don't believe it though personally.
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