PSA Pilot Moral Low
05-04-2015, 02:49 PM
#43
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Originally Posted by CLT Guy
How many "yes" voters do you think are at PSA right now?
You are wishing the worst on a group of pilots that, at most, 100 out of 1200 voted yes. More people than that voted yes at envoy the first two times. PSA voted no just as many times as Envoy, and everyone knows it. 2/3 of the current employees were not even employees then, and you are somehow blaming them? That is ridiculous. That is like not buying a BMW/Honda or refusing to fly an Airbus because of WWII.
Wishing the worst on any pilot group shows your true character. You are the type of person that makes this industry the crap-show that it is. If we would just get rid of people like you, this could be a good, honorable profession.
(If you really want to know why it was said, you might want to look at current events. PSA pilots are in the middle of the negotiations with AAG about flow right now. Management also wants the pilots to approve street captains, and the pilots want some other rules changed. It is a big negotiation right now, and there is no way that either side is going to tip their cards. AAG needs to keep the classes full at PSA, and they know that the flow is what is going to do it. They will not shoot themselves in the foot right now, but don't want to give up everything during the negotiations. It is all politics.)
You are wishing the worst on a group of pilots that, at most, 100 out of 1200 voted yes. More people than that voted yes at envoy the first two times. PSA voted no just as many times as Envoy, and everyone knows it. 2/3 of the current employees were not even employees then, and you are somehow blaming them? That is ridiculous. That is like not buying a BMW/Honda or refusing to fly an Airbus because of WWII.
Wishing the worst on any pilot group shows your true character. You are the type of person that makes this industry the crap-show that it is. If we would just get rid of people like you, this could be a good, honorable profession.
(If you really want to know why it was said, you might want to look at current events. PSA pilots are in the middle of the negotiations with AAG about flow right now. Management also wants the pilots to approve street captains, and the pilots want some other rules changed. It is a big negotiation right now, and there is no way that either side is going to tip their cards. AAG needs to keep the classes full at PSA, and they know that the flow is what is going to do it. They will not shoot themselves in the foot right now, but don't want to give up everything during the negotiations. It is all politics.)
05-04-2015, 02:58 PM
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I hear Doug told his barber that he is going to give everybody pay raises to equal Mainline, 18 days off a mnth, 8 weeks vaca a yr, and a free ice cream sammich before every flight in summer / cup of hot coco in the winter. 
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05-04-2015, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by IceManCRJ
I hear Doug told his barber that he is going to give everybody pay raises to equal Mainline, 18 days off a mnth, 8 weeks vaca a yr, and a free ice cream sammich before every flight in summer / cup of hot coco in the winter.
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Now this is just a rumor. ( heard it from the barber)
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05-04-2015, 03:20 PM
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Sadly, it's apparent that we need to review some history and compare and contrast PSA and Envoy
,....... AGAIN.
1(a) Parker offers PSA pilots new CRJ 900 jets in exchange for concessions. PSA Pilots say no, and those jets went to Mesa.
1(b) Parker offers Envoy pilots new E-170 jets in exchange for concessions. Envoy pilots say no, and those jets went to Compass.
2(a) Parker offers PSA pilots new jets in exchange for concessions. PSA pilots say no and Parker sent those jets to Republic.
2(b) Parker offers Envoy pilots new E-170's in exchange for concessions. Envoy pilots say no and Parker sent those jets to Republic.
3(a) Parker again offers new CRJ 900's to PSA pilots in exchange for concessions, with the caveat that the airline would be shut down if they said no again. PSA pilots took the deal.
3(b) Parker again offers new E-170's to Envoy pilots in exchange for concessions, with the caveat that the airline would be shut down if they said no again. Envoy pilots took the deal.
So as we can clearly see, it's ok for Envoy pilots to take a deal in order to save their jobs,....... but it's not ok for PSA pilots to take that same deal in order to save THEIR jobs.
,....... AGAIN.1(a) Parker offers PSA pilots new CRJ 900 jets in exchange for concessions. PSA Pilots say no, and those jets went to Mesa.
1(b) Parker offers Envoy pilots new E-170 jets in exchange for concessions. Envoy pilots say no, and those jets went to Compass.
2(a) Parker offers PSA pilots new jets in exchange for concessions. PSA pilots say no and Parker sent those jets to Republic.
2(b) Parker offers Envoy pilots new E-170's in exchange for concessions. Envoy pilots say no and Parker sent those jets to Republic.
3(a) Parker again offers new CRJ 900's to PSA pilots in exchange for concessions, with the caveat that the airline would be shut down if they said no again. PSA pilots took the deal.
3(b) Parker again offers new E-170's to Envoy pilots in exchange for concessions, with the caveat that the airline would be shut down if they said no again. Envoy pilots took the deal.
So as we can clearly see, it's ok for Envoy pilots to take a deal in order to save
their jobs,....... but it's not ok for PSA pilots to take that same deal in order to save THEIR jobs.
05-04-2015, 03:25 PM
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For those that watched the video, it is actually very encouraging for PSA pilots. DP said that he was under the impression that there is absolutely no way that it would take 10 years for a new hire pilot at PSA to reach mainline. He said that the pipeline was supposed to be a tool to help hiring at the regionals, and not hurt.
05-04-2015, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Skyvector
To kick things off, a PSA Captain who is also a recruiter stood up. According to her, she is having a hard time "selling" PSA to potential recruits. First and foremost it's becuase PSA: "Doesn't have a flow as good as Envoy's".
Currently, a pilot entering PSA has a 20 year (TWENTY YEAR) wait before interviewing with AA. Remember PSA doesn't have a flow. She mentioned how current First Officers, IF THEY ARE LUCKY have a TEN year wait before interviewing with AA.
Then she brings up how this is affecting morale and begs Doug Parker for changes.
Doug Parker's answer: "I don't know". He then asks for help from Jim Thomas, who tells her point blank:
"There are only so many spots. There are our off the street hires and ENVOY FLOW THROUGHS so there are only so many we can take from PSA."
Doug then says, "but hey, thanks for what you are doing." LOL...he brushed her off really quick.
Currently, a pilot entering PSA has a 20 year (TWENTY YEAR) wait before interviewing with AA. Remember PSA doesn't have a flow. She mentioned how current First Officers, IF THEY ARE LUCKY have a TEN year wait before interviewing with AA.
Then she brings up how this is affecting morale and begs Doug Parker for changes.
Doug Parker's answer: "I don't know". He then asks for help from Jim Thomas, who tells her point blank:
"There are only so many spots. There are our off the street hires and ENVOY FLOW THROUGHS so there are only so many we can take from PSA."
Doug then says, "but hey, thanks for what you are doing." LOL...he brushed her off really quick.
First off, the PSA Captain in question said nothing about Envoy's flow, contrary to your direct quote. Second, Parker then says the following in response to her question:
“Eh, um, I don’t know. [….] Frankly what you told me is surprising to me, I thought it was quicker than that, I thought it was a lot quicker than that actually, so I don’t know the answer to that. Any help?” [directed to his management staff…]
Mr Thomas does indeed mention limited slots and Envoy flows (about the only thing you actually got right), but Mr Parker doesn't just blow her off. This was his comment after Mr Thomas:
“Look, we agree with you, and um, again, it seems, it’s hard for me to imagine that it’s really going to take that long. We need to do a better job of communicating, of understanding ourselves so we can help you sell it. I know how hard it is to hire regional pilots these days, and the goal here was to make that easier by giving you something you could sell to people. You know, do this for a while, you’ll get your training here and you’ll move on to American, but it can’t be something that’s 20 years from now. And again, I don’t think that’s right so lets go figure out… I think between the attrition we’re going to have, uh, and the agreements we have in place the other regionals, which are not many, just Envoy and PSA and Piedmont, ah, that have these flowups, um, I’d be surprised if its any close to that long. I’m glad you rasied it because now I’ll go figure out what’s going on. And thanks, thanks for what you’re doing, are you seeing good candidates?”
Because that totally sounds like he blew her off.
And the VP of Flight Ops followed up with:
“And I’ll just add to that, certainly with the new FTDT requirements and the more stringent requirements and hurdles to overcome, it’s a hugely important issue to us, to attract good candidates that are going to have that vision for the future or objective, goal in mind, ah, so it’s near and dear to our heart. We’ve got to do a good job, get to work, and establish that pipeline, so that they have their future well defined. Great question and top of mind no doubt.”
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05-04-2015, 03:32 PM
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its not ok for anybody to take that deal..if our grandparents took the deal on the d-day who knows where we would be now...changes takes causalities for the good of the nxt generations...first lesson that anybody learns in flight school is that aviation is what you make out of it. if anybody thinks that regional are carrier think again....give the soul to the devil for the fast upgrade????
i has been said milion times as long as we hv group of pilots thats willing to bent over it will b this way. all of us hv families and bills and what so ever...thats just a weak excuse...stand up for what you believe, think abou the people that are coming after you and everything will be good, maybe not today but in a long run YES!!!
i has been said milion times as long as we hv group of pilots thats willing to bent over it will b this way. all of us hv families and bills and what so ever...thats just a weak excuse...stand up for what you believe, think abou the people that are coming after you and everything will be good, maybe not today but in a long run YES!!!
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