I agree. It's pretty much mainline. Heard we are buying Delta soon.

Maybe 8-10 years ago. Top 5 maybe in the last 2-3. But with everything that has happened over the past year or two, we don't offer anything but long upgrade times and fancy charts that show we are "industry leading".

Culture here is taking a nose dive IMO and nobody seems to care enough to change it. Those that do care eventually burn themselves out dealing with the company stonewalling. Like everywhere else, by the time they realize how bad it is, it will be too late or cost too much to fix it.

Chasing upgrades or flow? Yeah dumb idea. But if you are just starting out, what does SW offer you over other regionals? You want west coast bases? Compass is your best bet and if you want to upgrade you won't have to go to ORD to do it. East coast? Other regionals with signing bonuses and flow agreements. If the flow agreements don't work out? You are not any worse off than you would have been at SW. Nothing "industry leading" here except how many times you get told that we are "industry leading". And when it comes time to show you how much you mean to the company, here is a shiny quarter. Don't spend it all in one place.

I give Skywest 2 more years being non Union. Seems like things are swinging the company's way and management doesn't want to give any to its employees.

Yea pdt would be a great place if their training department didn't suck so bad.

So wrong on so many levels. I hope nobody actually takes your advise. If your goal is AA, then PDT or envoy are the only places I would go right now. Period. If you have no desire to work for AA, then go anywhere else. Simple as that.

You're an Envoy cheerleader...I expected nothing less. Chasing a flow right now is ridiculous. I didn't give any advice...only my opinion. And you gave yours. End of story.

If I'm an envoy cheerleader why would I be advocating PDT as well?

Chasing a flow is not rediculous. If you really believe that the only 3 majors out there are going to be beating down your door when you hit 1000 TPIC, you're sadly mistaken.

If your goal is a legacy, you have 3 options. AA, UAL, and DAL. AA will be hiring pretty much entirely through their WO flow programs, unless military. I wouldn't be surprised to see DAL follow suit in the near future. That leaves UAL.

So, if your goal is a legacy airline AND you're brand new to the 121 world, your entire future potentially rests on UAL. Good luck with that.

He is the clt guy of envoy.


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Try spending a little more time in the industry before dishing out advise to newbies.

While I've only been in the 121 world for 8 years, I have had the opportunity to fly alongside guys who have been in since before I was born and have been able to impart some pretty damn good wisdom on the past, present, and future of the industry. So, with all due respect, you don't know sheet.

You know I'm really disappointed CLT Guy isn't around anymore. He really provided some good insight. First Class just tries too hard, where CLT Guy is unbiased.