The trick is to hold the line as long as you can and then know when to let go. That is exactly what PSA pilots did. The Union leadership at Envoy were so shortsighted by their lack of relevance that they thought that they had the company by the balls, but they were terribly mistaken.

Envoy pilots are trying to blame everyone else for their foolishness. Haven't you learned yet that throwing mud at others doesn't make your lives better? You have a terrible contract, terrible schedules, terrible QoL, and have a terrible outlook for the future. You caused all of those things, but chose to blame it on other people. Blame it on your misguided leadership and blame it on AAG. Blaming it on another pilot group is just another example of misplaced trust and aggression. That is what got you into the predicament that you are in now. Learn from your mistakes and move on.

 

You know what makes ME laugh? Thinking back to you and your gang's warnings about how PSA can't staff and that Envoy will be the place to be etc etc. What happened? I thought PSA can't staff, and the planes will go to whoever has the pilots. Looks like PSA has too many pilots. So of course, you cling on to cheap childish shots because you know you have nothing of substance to look forward to in your own little world. You are obsessed.

 

You are certainly right: I didn't think you could staff it. I was wrong about that. It was certainly true that you wouldn't have been able to staff it with just "new to 121" new hires. What I miscalculated was the amount of industry sell outs that would go running off to PSA for a short term gain that crippled what was going to be an amazing push for good pay at the regionals. Short term gain, long term loss for themselves and everyone else.

 

Yes us silly foolish envoy pilots! How dare we try to hold out for the greater good and not screw over our fellow pilots, even the ones who screwed us and are still laughing about it!

Your ignorance of reality is astounding.

 

100% right. I'll admit to anybody that I didn't think PSA would be able to staff it and I was wrong. Which is why I think the prior 121 guys (especially prior envoy guys who voted no) who went to PSA are the worst of the worst. Didn't see that happening.

 

DECs but too many F/Os? That's interesting.

 

And scary when you think about the possibilities. They are pushing the edge of safe.

 

I think the main thing some of you guys are forgetting is the influence that contract carriers have on everyone else's ability to "hold the line." If the contract carriers were able to decide their own fait and decline aircrafts, I believe the PSA vote would have possibly looked different. Even the yes voters hated Parker for what he initiated. Let's go back to channeling the anger in the justified direction and stop the infighting and mud slinging PC; those pilots coming here are making difficult choices after being confronted with very negative realities at their respective stagnant carriers, and could have been part of the 'no' campaigns at Republic and ExpressJet, so I would advise against generalizations about their character. I suggest that we both forget about your latest troll attempts and focus on constructive discussion. It starts from us. We need to take personal responsibility for our discourse.

 

Why didn't you two just listen to what everyone was trying to tell you in the first place. Try listening to understand, not listening to reply.

 

Cherry picking soundbytes. How original! I am starting to wonder if you are a grown up at all.