PSA Critical Pay
02-07-2016 | 03:47 AM
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By that logic nobody should complain about our federal government then. We should volunteer to help the Feds then right?
Wrong
We pay taxes. Same as dues. My voice should have value. My Union should have to work for my money. I sure have to work for it.
8 months is too long. We need/want answers.
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We pay taxes. Same as dues. My voice should have value. My Union should have to work for my money. I sure have to work for it.
8 months is too long. We need/want answers.
02-07-2016 | 06:25 AM
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Thank you. Don't think he gets it though, so instead he comes on APC to complain instead. But if he wants to use the government scenario, how often do the people complaining ever write to their congressmen or senators and voice themselves. Never. People love to complain but hate to put in the time and effort to try to make the change. This entire thread makes my point perfectly.
02-07-2016 | 06:46 AM
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It took me 15 years to get to where I am tonight. 15 years and 10,000 hours to get to $86/hour.
What gets me is the arrogance of some Union people that think that after taking a weekend negotiation seminar they think they are qualified to negotiate and write contracts.
Obviously the people that wrote our critical pay section were in way over their heads. They took the pilots groups money and we now have a contract worth less than the previous.
Travis has his plate full. He was left a crappy situation.
Yes ALPA national is to blame. If they can't proofread and write contracts that are enforceable then they need to do something else.
What gets me is the arrogance of some Union people that think that after taking a weekend negotiation seminar they think they are qualified to negotiate and write contracts.
Obviously the people that wrote our critical pay section were in way over their heads. They took the pilots groups money and we now have a contract worth less than the previous.
Travis has his plate full. He was left a crappy situation.
Yes ALPA national is to blame. If they can't proofread and write contracts that are enforceable then they need to do something else.
02-07-2016 | 06:52 AM
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I have to respectively disagree with this statement. ALPA is not the problem, the weak pilot group is too blame. To many members do not know or understand the contract inside and out. They complain about the contract and union but can't even comprehend key contractual sections and don't understand how the union operates. If everyone studied the contract and knew it inside and out just like the POH and FOM, I can almost guarantee we would have a much stronger and more professional group.
02-07-2016 | 06:55 AM
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Thank you. Don't think he gets it though, so instead he comes on APC to complain instead. But if he wants to use the government scenario, how often do the people complaining ever write to their congressmen or senators and voice themselves. Never. People love to complain but hate to put in the time and effort to try to make the change. This entire thread makes my point perfectly.
02-07-2016 | 07:00 AM
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They tell us 4-6 months to get an answer regarding the arbitration.
It's now 8.
The union lied to us in December. They were negotiating with the company.
What other lies are they telling us?
It's now 8.
The union lied to us in December. They were negotiating with the company.
What other lies are they telling us?
02-07-2016 | 07:09 AM
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You guys complaining about what your mec is or isn't doing. You forget you are Alpa members. Most of the local level stuff is done by pilots. Be proactive. Get peoples signatures to support whatever it is you want. Coming on here a *****ing isn't going to much. Be a part of the solution, call Alpa national and make them earn what you've paid
"Hey members.. you don't have a right to complain unless you're "involved". "
02-07-2016 | 07:25 AM
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02-07-2016 | 08:08 AM
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It took me 15 years to get to where I am tonight. 15 years and 10,000 hours to get to $86/hour.
What gets me is the arrogance of some Union people that think that after taking a weekend negotiation seminar they think they are qualified to negotiate and write contracts.
Obviously the people that wrote our critical pay section were in way over their heads. They took the pilots groups money and we now have a contract worth less than the previous.
Travis has his plate full. He was left a crappy situation.
Yes ALPA national is to blame. If they can't proofread and write contracts that are enforceable then they need to do something else.
What gets me is the arrogance of some Union people that think that after taking a weekend negotiation seminar they think they are qualified to negotiate and write contracts.
Obviously the people that wrote our critical pay section were in way over their heads. They took the pilots groups money and we now have a contract worth less than the previous.
Travis has his plate full. He was left a crappy situation.
Yes ALPA national is to blame. If they can't proofread and write contracts that are enforceable then they need to do something else.
And you voted in that contract that EVERYONE said was going to come back to haunt you. This forum was full of warning you to vote no. But, new jets!!
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