I agree. Also, enough with the time frame on min-day. You should get no less than 4 hours credit per day, regardless of start/stop time on your trip.

I say push it to 4.5-5 hour min days. A 16 hour minimum 4 day is crap. If we push the min to 18 hours we might actually get efficient schedules.

It's funny to see all you jealous idiots come on another companies thread to try and bash them.

You're an idiot, lack reading comprehension or both. Maybe some day you'll figure out the issue isn't the contract but rather the company willfully violating the contract. Keep crying on other companies threads.

4.5-5 hour min calendar day is not going to happen. But we could possibly get a min "average day" in the 4.5-5 hour daily range. I personally think a 4 hour min calendar day is more favorable than a 4.5 hour min average day. That's of course without the crappy carve outs we have now.

But you said they were violating it because it was weak language with loopholes. So, what is it? The company intentionally violating the contract or the company utilizing a loophole in weak language. You can't say the contract is awesome because it's strong and that it sucks because it's weak.

What critical pay loopholes? I've talked about loose reserve rule language. Keep reaching. Please show me your 12,000 page contract with all its solid language.

Then you should talk to Seaeye about how there are no loopholes. I'm not saying our contract is impeachable. I just find it funny that people like SeaCreature are coming on here saying that ALPA national bent them over by intentionally writing bad, loophole filled language. They couldn't possibly take any kind of responsibility for voting in a contract that was full of holes, according to them.

CBreezy, you worry too much about PSA contract! Don't you have a hobby or something else to do other than worry about company you even don't work for?

Did I ever say there weren't loopholes? You really do love to put words in people's mouths. Every contract is going to have imperfect language. Did you sit down with a contract lawyer and pour over every word before your last vote? I'm sure you relied on the junior low paid ALPA lawyer to examine your contract and catch all the problems. Then I'm sure you read it. I guess the rest of us can only hope to be as amazing as you with your ability to think up every possible loose interpretation or flat out violation that the companies might come up with.

You're still trying to make this a contract issue. Our critical pay arbitration is because the company is knowingly violating the contract clause they offered to us.

This is why things are done in secret. What happens at the very end of the negotiating process is the company lays their cards on the table. They will only agree to certain things if the language vague. This allows them to flip the switch at will. When times are good, pilots get what they want. But when times turn away from good, the company can start violating the contract and point to the weak language in the contract. Inevitably, the issue ends up as a grievance process and mediators agree with the companies position on the weak language. This is the part that is secret, the negotiators all know that this is how it will work, the pilots will not be told. It's a necessary evil to get the contract.

For many of you, this is the first time you have seen this. But this process and played out over and over again over the last 30 years. Its only new to you and your peers, those that have come before you have already moved on.

If everything went perfect, you wouldn't need alpa. Alpa needs you to keep needing them. Kind of like how Democrats operate, for example. Democrats will promise poor and minorities the world, will tell you how bad things are and how you need them to fight for you. But if they did get you what they promised, you would no longer vote democrat, presumably you are wealthy now and need to switch to being a Republican to preserve your wealth.