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SEPfield 02-16-2016 05:10 PM
Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 2069891)
We are already at the bottom of the industry. All I'm saying is that AAG will go the cheaper way, holding critical pay and send it to arbitration will give them 1-2 years saving that money.
SAP 75, no open time, no junior man.

We are already failing to attract new hires, if we stop helping them staff the flights they will have to cancel them and that will get critical pay fixed. As well as some other things hopefully.

1stCivDivPilot 02-16-2016 05:11 PM
Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 2069891)
We are already at the bottom of the industry. All I'm saying is that AAG will go the cheaper way, holding critical pay and send it to arbitration will give them 1-2 years saving that money.
So you're saying their grand plan was to align these 3 WOs just to watch them die as everyone goes to companies that pay more in the new market of scarce pilots?

spaaks 02-16-2016 05:12 PM
Originally Posted by tennisguru (Post 2069850)
I don't think anyone at PSA is demanding more money because we feel we deserve it. We're simply pointing out that in today's landscape of few pilots and many competitive offers from other regionals that our compensation offerings are rapidly falling to the bottom of the industry. What AAG chooses to do from here is entirely up to them.
And they will bend you over and tell you to like it, like others have done because of what you did

FourPutt 02-16-2016 05:18 PM
Originally Posted by spaaks (Post 2069903)
And they will bend you over and tell you to like it, like others have done because of what you did
Didn't Envoy pilots vote in a bankruptcy contract only to them overwhelmingly vote on additional concessions a year later? Wasn't it 75% in favor of 12/4 concessions at Envoy?

pagey 02-16-2016 05:22 PM
Originally Posted by spaaks (Post 2069903)
And they will bend you over and tell you to like it, like others have done because of what you did
lol.......

FirstClass 02-16-2016 05:27 PM
Originally Posted by spaaks (Post 2069903)
And they will bend you over and tell you to like it, like others have done because of what you did
Don't be so homophobic, some people pay double for that kind of action.

FirstClass 02-16-2016 05:27 PM
Originally Posted by FourPutt (Post 2069908)
Didn't Envoy pilots vote in a bankruptcy contract only to them overwhelmingly vote on additional concessions a year later? Wasn't it 75% in favor of 12/4 concessions at Envoy?
They did it at least 3 times in a row. They ruined everything.

PSASUX 02-16-2016 08:28 PM
Originally Posted by SEPfield (Post 2069900)
SAP 75, no open time, no junior man.

We are already failing to attract new hires, if we stop helping them staff the flights they will have to cancel them and that will get critical pay fixed. As well as some other things hopefully.
I can agree about not picking up open time and not accepting jm's. But please explain to me how dropping to 75, or even to 65 as someone else had mentioned, is going to get critical pay back. If I hold a 80 hour line and sap to 65, that is $1200+ less a month in my paycheck. Why would I ever consider losing money?

Do you really think that cancelling flights is going to force them to pay up? All that is going to do is mean more flying for someone else. Just like the flying we picked up for RAH, someone else will get the routes we cannot cover.

seafeye 03-02-2016 05:59 AM
And we see another month go by with no communication regarding critical pay.
Another month of lost wages.
4-6 months huh. Coming up on a year since the first arbitration meeting.
Great contract Alpa.

WakeWash 03-02-2016 06:15 AM
Originally Posted by seafeye (Post 2080225)
And we see another month go by with no communication regarding critical pay.
Another month of lost wages.
4-6 months huh. Coming up on a year since the first arbitration meeting.
Great contract Alpa.
Participate in the conference calls or listen to the recording of it, critical pay was discussed.


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