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WakeWash 02-15-2016 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by 1stCivDivPilot (Post 2069323)
It's too late. We already aren't attracting new hires. The stuff has only begun to hit the fan. Even if we get a flood of new hires, they are months away from the line barring no delays. We have been shrinking while taking on more aircraft. According to all the surveys everyone came here for the fast upgrade. No one came for the bases, flow or FO pay. At 4 a month, the upgrade flood is over. Righting the ship today will still mean no noticeable results for months. PSA was gambling on buying someone or someone going bankrupt. They gambled and lost. Time to pay.

I disagree. If they change it in the next few months there will be no problem. Reason for saying this is because just look at the march lines. We are still slightly overstaffed, and they could easily build much more efficient lines. If they do this they will have no issue going another few months on the pilots currently on property. I do agree, however, that if they don't do anything soon, then there will be a big issue. PSA, Envoy, and PDT management are puppets though. AAG sees the numbers concerning everything. They know the issues. They came down on payroll and scheduling back when delays from crew swaps and pay discrepancies were incredibly high. They know the hiring issues happening at the WOs. Ultimately it's up to them to pony up and fix the issue.

1stCivDivPilot 02-15-2016 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by WakeWash (Post 2069328)
I disagree. If they change it in the next few months there will be no problem. Reason for saying this is because just look at the march lines. We are still slightly overstaffed, and they could easily build much more efficient lines. If they do this they will have no issue going another few months on the pilots currently on property. I do agree, however, that if they don't do anything soon, then there will be a big issue. PSA, Envoy, and PDT management are puppets though. AAG sees the numbers concerning everything. They know the issues. They came down on payroll and scheduling back when delays from crew swaps and pay discrepancies were incredibly high. They know the hiring issues happening at the WOs. Ultimately it's up to them to pony up and fix the issue.

I agree they are puppets and this is all up to AAG to fix.

My crystal ball assumptions are based off the claim of 10.5 pilots per aircraft. That gives us 15% buffer. I gladly welcome more efficient schedules and it seems like March is a hint. TYS actually had decent time lines with more than 11 days off. I'm certainly no expert. The bandaid of efficient schedules might be enough only if it occurs with something to actually attract pilots.

Slick111 02-16-2016 03:54 AM


Originally Posted by WakeWash (Post 2069328)
I disagree. If they change it in the next few months there will be no problem. Reason for saying this is because just look at the march lines. We are still slightly overstaffed, and they could easily build much more efficient lines. If they do this they will have no issue going another few months on the pilots currently on property. I do agree, however, that if they don't do anything soon, then there will be a big issue. PSA, Envoy, and PDT management are puppets though. AAG sees the numbers concerning everything. They know the issues. They came down on payroll and scheduling back when delays from crew swaps and pay discrepancies were incredibly high. They know the hiring issues happening at the WOs. Ultimately it's up to them to pony up and fix the issue.

There were five pilots in yesterday's new hire class. Only 3 remain in the previous class.

CBreezy 02-16-2016 04:09 AM


Originally Posted by Slick111 (Post 2069512)
There were five pilots in yesterday's new hire class. Only 3 remain in the previous class.

That's because the new cute girl is CommutAir and PDT. As soon as they get half of their deliveries, they be saying the same thing.

rjet24 02-16-2016 04:31 AM

What is the reason that the two left from the last class?

PilotJ3 02-16-2016 04:31 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2069514)
That's because the new cute girl is CommutAir and PDT. As soon as they get half of their deliveries, they be saying the same thing.

Meanwhile Mesa and RAH are getting 20+ a Class.

If only PSA would listed up when everybody told them to hold the line. Oh well...

Pay raises? You think that Parker will give PSA pay raises after accepting that crap at the first time? We are all in the same boat (PSA/PDT/ENY) and is not because of PDT or ENY.

CBreezy 02-16-2016 05:00 AM


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 2069521)
Meanwhile Mesa and RAH are getting 20+ a Class.

If only PSA would listed up when everybody told them to hold the line. Oh well...

Pay raises? You think that Parker will give PSA pay raises after accepting that crap at the first time? We are all in the same boat (PSA/PDT/ENY) and is not because of PDT or ENY.

I still can't wrap my head around why Mesa would have anyone in class at all?

Biggz 02-16-2016 05:18 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2069523)
I still can't wrap my head around why Mesa would have anyone in class at all?

It has to be bases. The people wanting to go to regionals right now must be living in Mesa bases. I as well could see no other reason to go there. They are by far the lowest paid large rj operator in the system.

SEPfield 02-16-2016 07:22 AM


Originally Posted by WakeWash (Post 2069328)
I disagree. If they change it in the next few months there will be no problem. Reason for saying this is because just look at the march lines. We are still slightly overstaffed, and they could easily build much more efficient lines. If they do this they will have no issue going another few months on the pilots currently on property. I do agree, however, that if they don't do anything soon, then there will be a big issue. PSA, Envoy, and PDT management are puppets though. AAG sees the numbers concerning everything. They know the issues. They came down on payroll and scheduling back when delays from crew swaps and pay discrepancies were incredibly high. They know the hiring issues happening at the WOs. Ultimately it's up to them to pony up and fix the issue.

More efficient lines is just the first step, a step which means they have actually finally noticed there is a problem. The next step will be a reduction in 200 flying as 900s come on board. I agree with a few changes they can continue to limp along as they have been for another several months.
Thats why this is the time we need to start putting the pressure on them

SAP 75, no open time, no junior man.

AAG may be aware of the issues, but they won't do a thing until it starts affecting their operation.

SEPfield 02-16-2016 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by Biggz (Post 2069526)
It has to be bases. The people wanting to go to regionals right now must be living in Mesa bases. I as well could see no other reason to go there. They are by far the lowest paid large rj operator in the system.

Of course bases. Mesa has all hub bases. Why would you come to PSA for a measly $2 more per hour? That doesn't even cover the cost of a crash pad, much less the additional stress of a 2 leg commute to DAY.

The fast upgrade doesn't really apply unless you have previous 121 time. It doesn't matter if the airline is upgrading in 6 months or 2 years unless you have your 1000hrs. Also I think we all know that, baring a big slow down, all the regionals will have less than a 2 year upgrade in the next 2 years.
And after upgrade you're right back to a 2 leg commute and a crash pad in DAY.


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