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spaaks 03-02-2016 03:58 PM
Originally Posted by seafeye (Post 2080225)
And we see another month go by with no communication regarding critical pay.
Another month of lost wages.
4-6 months huh. Coming up on a year since the first arbitration meeting.
Great contract Alpa.
Good, go back to the $hithole airline you all supported and like it. upgradddEzzzz

penaltybox 03-02-2016 04:04 PM
Originally Posted by spaaks (Post 2080696)
Good, go back to the $hithole airline you all supported and like it. upgradddEzzzz
Tell me again, who was the only wholly owned airline that accepted the band aid fix? A lot of leverage could have been gained if everyone said no. Get off your high horse.

seafeye 05-07-2016 07:04 AM
Rumor on the street is that the pilot group won the arbitration but there will not be any fine against the company.
The union did not make any announcement but continues to negotiate bonuses for f/o's while Captains take a $50k hit. (2 months ago).

If this is true it is time to dump ALPA. Obviously they cannot write contracts, enforce them or represent their dues paying members properly.

CBreezy 05-07-2016 08:40 AM
Originally Posted by seafeye (Post 2124321)
Rumor on the street is that the pilot group won the arbitration but there will not be any fine against the company.
The union did not make any announcement but continues to negotiate bonuses for f/o's while Captains take a $50k hit. (2 months ago).



If this is true it is time to dump ALPA. Obviously they cannot write contracts, enforce them or represent their dues paying members properly.
You do realize that if you dump ALPA, it'll still be the same people running the Union with the same results. It isn't ALPA's fault the people you elected aren't doing their job. It's your fault.

seafeye 05-07-2016 08:54 AM
Just like the guy I get to cut my grass. I pay him. He dies a crappy job and it's my fault?
No, I fire him and find a replacement. And I keep hiring/firing till the people do the job properly.

CBreezy 05-07-2016 09:02 AM
Originally Posted by seafeye (Post 2124371)
Just like the guy I get to cut my grass. I pay him. He dies a crappy job and it's my fault?
No, I fire him and find a replacement. And I keep hiring/firing till the people do the job properly.
No. That's like saying, "Congress gave away too many jobs to Mexico so let's overthrow the government.". You didn't hire ALPA. You didn't hire your reps. You voted them in and if they do a bad job, it is your fault for not properly veting your representatives.

Larry in TN 05-07-2016 10:40 AM
Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2124361)
You do realize that if you dump ALPA, it'll still be the same people running the Union with the same results. It isn't ALPA's fault the people you elected aren't doing their job. It's your fault.
+1

I've been APA, ALPA, IBT, ALPA, ALPA, and now I'm ALPA. It's all about what your local representatives do.

That becomes a problem with small pilot groups because they have a much smaller talent pool upon which to draw. It takes someone with some talent to be an effective union leader.

DL31082 05-07-2016 12:15 PM
Originally Posted by seafeye (Post 2124321)
Rumor on the street is that the pilot group won the arbitration but there will not be any fine against the company.
The union did not make any announcement but continues to negotiate bonuses for f/o's while Captains take a $50k hit. (2 months ago).

If this is true it is time to dump ALPA. Obviously they cannot write contracts, enforce them or represent their dues paying members properly.
You do realize that if ALPA won the case but there isn't any fine then that was a decision made by the arbitrator not ALPA. Once you go to arbitration then the outcome of the case and any penalties against the loser is done by the arbitrator period. Now if they settled the case and gave the pay for the pilots then you might have a DFR lawsuit.

1stCivDivPilot 05-07-2016 12:39 PM
Originally Posted by DL31082 (Post 2124501)
You do realize that if ALPA won the case but there isn't any fine then that was a decision made by the arbitrator not ALPA. Once you go to arbitration then the outcome of the case and any penalties against the loser is done by the arbitrator period. Now if they settled the case and gave the pay for the pilots then you might have a DFR lawsuit.
I wouldn't be shocked the arbiter failed to award damages. He's tried to force a settlement 3 times to avoid doing his job and to keep himself is AA/PSA's good good graces.

272922 05-08-2016 05:06 AM
Originally Posted by seafeye (Post 2124321)
Rumor on the street is that the pilot group won the arbitration but there will not be any fine against the company.
The union did not make any announcement but continues to negotiate bonuses for f/o's while Captains take a $50k hit. (2 months ago).

If this is true it is time to dump ALPA. Obviously they cannot write contracts, enforce them or represent their dues paying members properly.
Rumor in the street is you're at mainline, which means you were senior enough to reap the immediate benefits of the flow.

So does that make you the PSA equivalent of eaglefly? At least he uses some basic math and common sense.


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