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272922 05-09-2016 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by pagey (Post 2125548)
If there are negotiations happening and you haven't spoken with your pilot group about it how do you know what your pilot group wants? If this is the case ALPA is most certainly not representing the pilots interests, they are assuming what those interests are. This is not why they were elected in the first place.

Tell us what is going on.

Do you truly believe that your MEC, that flies the line and talks to pilots on a daily basis, doesn't know what the pilot group wants?

Do you honestly feel like TR, who has been the Contract Enforcement chair before he was MEC chair, doesn't know where and how the company likes to screw with people?

Did you even vote in any past representation elections?

FirstClass 05-09-2016 10:18 AM


Originally Posted by 272922 (Post 2125545)

But the fact that you're arguing with an anonymous name in the Internet and thinking that actually matters tells me that you'll do neither.

It was your decision to close the private forum.

FirstClass 05-09-2016 10:20 AM


Originally Posted by 272922 (Post 2125553)
Do you truly believe that your MEC, that flies the line and talks to pilots on a daily basis, doesn't know what the pilot group wants?

Yes we do believe that precisely. What we want is current information, you are not providing that. So -no- you don't know what the pilot group wants do you. We're asking for information right now, nothing more.

272922 05-09-2016 10:28 AM


Originally Posted by FirstClass (Post 2125559)
It was your decision to close the private forum.

I had nothing to do with it, but you do know there's a new forum with MEC involvement and someone posting a lot of data, right?

www.bluestreaklounge.com


Originally Posted by FirstClass (Post 2125561)
Yes we do believe that precisely. What we want is current information, you are not providing that. So -no- you don't know what the pilot group wants do you. We're asking for information right now, nothing more.

Well then you're delusional. If you're honestly suggesting that pilots how have been on property for a significant amount of time have no idea of the desires of the pilot group as a whole then you're thinking is very flawed.

Try answering the rest of my questions.

FirstClass 05-09-2016 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by 272922 (Post 2125565)
I had nothing to do with it, but you do know there's a new forum with MEC involvement and someone posting a lot of data, right?

www.bluestreaklounge.com


Well then you're delusional. If you're honestly suggesting that pilots how have been on property for a significant amount of time have no idea of the desires of the pilot group as a whole then you're thinking is very flawed.

Try answering the rest of my questions.

I don't care about what the other pilots think or do, I'm asking you a question that you are unwilling to answer.

CBreezy 05-09-2016 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by FirstClass (Post 2125568)
I don't care about what the other pilots think or do, I'm asking you a question that you are unwilling to answer.

Have you called your rep?

272922 05-09-2016 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by FirstClass (Post 2125568)
I don't care about what the other pilots think or do, I'm asking you a question that you are unwilling to answer.

I keep telling you, I'm not TR. Wh don't you call your rep and ask if the MEC Chair is posting on APC while in the MEC meeting.

Better yet, why don't you go there yourself and make your opinions heard.

Or, just keep making demands to anonymous people on the Internet.

Again, I'm pretty sure I know which one you'll pick.

seafeye 05-09-2016 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by 272922 (Post 2125565)
I had nothing to do with it, but you do know there's a new forum with MEC involvement and someone posting a lot of data, right?

www.bluestreaklounge.com


Well then you're delusional. If you're honestly suggesting that pilots how have been on property for a significant amount of time have no idea of the desires of the pilot group as a whole then you're thinking is very flawed.

Try answering the rest of my questions.

The lounge closing was the start of the lies. All data from the previous MEC regarding critical pay is now gone. We were told that the site was unreliable therefore had to be removed.
That was a lie. It was removed because ALPA wanted control over it.
Not letting the pilots aware of a arbitration decision is also lying.
Be transparent, and you will gain trust from your members. ALPA needs to be replaced.

272922 05-09-2016 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by seafeye (Post 2125701)
The lounge closing was the start of the lies. All data from the previous MEC regarding critical pay is now gone. We were told that the site was unreliable therefore had to be removed.
That was a lie. It was removed because ALPA wanted control over it.
Not letting the pilots aware of a arbitration decision is also lying.
Be transparent, and you will gain trust from your members. ALPA needs to be replaced.

Correlation does not equal causation.

What incentives does the current or former MEC members have to lie? What's the economic benefit to them?

What's your proof?

Lastly, aren't you at mainline? If so, seems like you've made out nicely.

MitchRapp 05-09-2016 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by 272922 (Post 2125712)
Correlation does not equal causation.

What incentives does the current or former MEC members have to lie? What's the economic benefit to them?

What's your proof?

Lastly, aren't you at mainline? If so, seems like you've made out nicely.

Maybe the trip buy outs, personal reimbursements and qol that they don't want to lose by being recalled? The man has a point.; the forum being taken down once people starting questioning the arbitration process and talking about lawyering up is a little sketch.


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