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CaptLucky 02-08-2016 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by 1stCivDivPilot (Post 2064687)
Who knows? Might have been more effective than our representation. Or an outside lawsuit might actually see resolution.

And who would you bring a lawsuit against? ALPA for duty of fair representation because it's not going fast enough for you?

Have you ever heard of the railway labor act?

1stCivDivPilot 02-08-2016 03:01 PM


Originally Posted by CaptLucky (Post 2064991)
And who would you bring a lawsuit against? ALPA for duty of fair representation because it's not going fast enough for you?

Have you ever heard of the railway labor act?

I'm pretty sure they were looking to bring suit against the company outside of ALPA but I'll defer to your expertise and experience on all things legal.

fisherman 02-09-2016 01:16 AM

It is funny to see PSA pilots whining about their contract.

joek 02-09-2016 02:02 AM


Originally Posted by fisherman (Post 2065285)
It is funny to see PSA pilots whining about their contract.

What's funny about it?

seafeye 02-09-2016 02:03 AM

If you try hard to comprehend , you will find that this thread is primarily against the dysfunctional Union. Not the contract.
Alpa has been doing a very **** poor job of protecting Eagles jobs, they write Swiss cheese contracts. They lie to their members and offer very little return on the 2% dues.
I don't want to ever advance at the expense of others. Many at PSA feel the same as I do. I feel for my Eagle brothers and ALPA did a horrible job of working with management to protect their jobs.
We have street captains while they have 8 year f/o's. Could Alpa have done something? I don't know. Maybe the fluid contracts are to blame. But worrying about Iceland air when we have a civil war going on here is a misdirection of priorities. IMO

CBreezy 02-09-2016 02:42 AM


Originally Posted by seafeye (Post 2065291)
If you try hard to comprehend , you will find that this thread is primarily against the dysfunctional Union. Not the contract.
Alpa has been doing a very **** poor job of protecting Eagles jobs, they write Swiss cheese contracts. They lie to their members and offer very little return on the 2% dues.
I don't want to ever advance at the expense of others. Many at PSA feel the same as I do. I feel for my Eagle brothers and ALPA did a horrible job of working with management to protect their jobs.
We have street captains while they have 8 year f/o's. Could Alpa have done something? I don't know. Maybe the fluid contracts are to blame. But worrying about Iceland air when we have a civil war going on here is a misdirection of priorities. IMO

You mean to say, against the dysfunctional representation that you and your colleagues voted in. You voted in the contract. Did you read it? ALPA National isn't your union. How many times do we have to say that? They are primarily advisory and significant financial backing to your local. Quit blaming everyone else because you voted in a poo contract that Eagle voted down and thought you'd do the same.

joek 02-09-2016 05:10 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2065295)
You mean to say, against the dysfunctional representation that you and your colleagues voted in. You voted in the contract. Did you read it? ALPA National isn't your union. How many times do we have to say that? They are primarily advisory and significant financial backing to your local. Quit blaming everyone else because you voted in a poo contract that Eagle voted down and thought you'd do the same.

What does our 2013 Contract have to do with you?

FourPutt 02-09-2016 05:29 AM

I'll take the PSA contract with critical pay over the 04 LXJT contract I worked under for many years for the schedule flexibility and soft time pay. You guys need to relax and have some patience, this arbitration was always going to take a while due to the magnitude of how much it costs the company. In the meantime stop voting for politicians that are anti labor and anti union so we can make legislative changes to the RLA that do not allow companies to get away with this stuff.

JohnnyDingus 02-09-2016 05:48 AM


Originally Posted by FourPutt (Post 2065338)
I'll take the PSA contract with critical pay over the 04 LXJT contract I worked under for many years for the schedule flexibility and soft time pay. You guys need to relax and have some patience, this arbitration was always going to take a while due to the magnitude of how much it costs the company. In the meantime stop voting for politicians that are anti labor and anti union so we can make legislative changes to the RLA that do not allow companies to get away with this stuff.


Preach it bro

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gold 02-09-2016 06:45 AM


Originally Posted by FourPutt (Post 2065338)
I'll take the PSA contract with critical pay over the 04 LXJT contract I worked under for many years for the schedule flexibility and soft time pay. You guys need to relax and have some patience, this arbitration was always going to take a while due to the magnitude of how much it costs the company. In the meantime stop voting for politicians that are anti labor and anti union so we can make legislative changes to the RLA that do not allow companies to get away with this stuff.

In my opinion it 90% likely we will never have critical pay in the same form it was in pre-October 14. Same with the chances of back pay.

I think the best situation for the pilot group and company is negotiating for 150% SDO with a 4-hour min day in exchange for eliminating critical. We would also have to get stronger language on reserve buffers. That is only my opinion. A lot of hard liners would probably disagree.


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