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Old 08-30-2017 | 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Duesenflieger
Which carriers are hiring 23 year olds over 30 or 40 year olds? Is it just Delta? American seems to prefer older, high-time regional jet captains. From a stand-point of labor costs, it would be more beneficial for an airline to hire older pilots since they will stay at the top of the payscale for less time and do essentially the same amount of work as a younger pilot.
But, they fly high revenue planes for a longer period generating more revenue offsetting their higher pay. Airlines would much rather have long term pilots than spending money on hiring process, training and benefits only to have the pilot to leave.

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Old 08-30-2017 | 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
But, they fly high revenue planes for a longer period generating more revenue offsetting their higher pay. Airlines would much rather have long term pilots than spending money on hiring process, training and benefits only to have the pilot to leave.

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Sitting at the top of a payscale for 20+ years costs alot more than a couple type ratings and a few months in the school house. Older pilots are cheaper.
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Old 08-30-2017 | 05:02 PM
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You all want proof that there isn't a pilot shortage? My buddy tried to get a ticket to the next SWA job fair. Every time that a window opened it was sold out in under a second.
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Old 08-30-2017 | 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Duesenflieger
You all want proof that there isn't a pilot shortage? My buddy tried to get a ticket to the next SWA job fair. Every time that a window opened it was sold out in under a second.
More proof: saw in another thread that PSA has raised the rotor mins to 1000 hours before entering RTP, due to the overwhelming number of applicants.
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Old 08-31-2017 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyyGuyy
psa went from 500 to 13xx since dec 2013
For this to work, the reporting period must be the same for all participants. Its not enough to say psa went from 500 to 1300 in the last 4 years, we need to see if other airline(s) lost the 800 pilots or not or how much of those 800 are new pilots.
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Old 08-31-2017 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by itsmytime
More proof: saw in another thread that PSA has raised the rotor mins to 1000 hours before entering RTP, due to the overwhelming number of applicants.
But on the flip-side, it sounds like Skywest and Express Jet will hire you and now accept your current longevity from your current airline and pay you that longevity pay rate, including other benefits based on longevity.
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Old 08-31-2017 | 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by tom11011
But on the flip-side, it sounds like Skywest and Express Jet will hire you and now accept your current longevity from your current airline and pay you that longevity pay rate, including other benefits based on longevity.
The times they are changing
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Old 08-31-2017 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by tom11011
But on the flip-side, it sounds like Skywest and Express Jet will hire you and now accept your current longevity from your current airline and pay you that longevity pay rate, including other benefits based on longevity.
So in spite of all the pilots that don't have a flow talking about how bad it is, the people on the street realize it for the gem that it is, and all The WO's are flooded with applicants.
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Old 08-31-2017 | 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by itsmytime
So in spite of all the pilots that don't have a flow talking about how bad it is, the people on the street realize it for the gem that it is, and all The WO's are flooded with applicants.
Yeah, I don't have a flow at my regional and it sucks honestly. I've flown with captains at SkyWest that would have been at Delta if they had gone to Compass or at American if they had stayed at Eagle, but instead they're still stuck flying the Canadian Space Shuttle and proclaiming how much they wish they could get out of this sinking ship.
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Old 08-31-2017 | 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Duesenflieger
Yeah, I don't have a flow at my regional and it sucks honestly. I've flown with captains at SkyWest that would have been at Delta if they had gone to Compass or at American if they had stayed at Eagle, but instead they're still stuck flying the Canadian Space Shuttle and proclaiming how much they wish they could get out of this sinking ship.

But when they signed up at SKW, Compass didn't exist.

When CZ was created it was owned by NWA, so you had flow to a MSP-centric major.

The AA flow from eagle was dead-in-the-water back then (maybe cancelled outright? I can't recall).

Flow was crap back then, definitely a bird in the bush.

Hindsight is 20/20...I should have taken that job at CAL in 2006
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