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Originally Posted by iahflyr
(Post 2309245)
Serious question. I have always said we will never have a true pilot shortage. Demand for pilots will increase and decrease throughout time. But even as demand increases, the supply of airline pilot candidates seems to always increase as well. Yes regionals have gotten more relaxed with their hiring standards. But they all seem to be putting people into classes. Lots of pilots who had gotten out of the game are coming back. Lots of people are joining programs like ATP to get their ratings quick. There seems to be trouble at Air Wisconsin and Expressjet, who combined employee around 5,000 pilots. Each legacy airline still has 10,000+ resumes on their desk.
Who still believes we will someday have a pilot shortage? What evidence are you basing that opinion on? I'm not trying to antagonize. I just want to see other people's point of view that is different from mine. American Eagle Puerto Rico operation ceased Skywest Brasilia operation ceased Mesa Hawaiian operation ceased Chautauqua Shuttle America Mesaba Colgan ComAir Lynx Air Midwest all consolidated or ceased. Airlines have lowered there hiring standards and washed out fewer new hires, allowing more sim. More and more flying has gone to PBS carriers who can operate more flights with less people. More carriers award line above 75 hours utilizing the same size group to fly more. Delta has grown the their total pilot count and coverd more flying which could have been outsourced. More RJ company's fly >50 seat airplanes requireing less hulls and jobs. Most RJ company's have gotten rid of anything that was <50 seats. In 2008 6 major airlines still operated their separate regional feed systems, which created overlap compared to today's networks. |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 2418309)
New hires, bottom feeders, and prop trash have achieved a living wage. Yeah!
What would tickle your fancy? FO's pay to play and captains go to $130 an hour? |
Originally Posted by Happyflyer
(Post 2419500)
Is this good or bad? I'am detecting sarcasm? $121 for the captain and $19 for the FO was the glory days? You feel inflation sneaking up on you if an FO can afford to eat and pay rent?
What would tickle your fancy? FO's pay to play and captains go to $130 an hour? Sarcasm. Regional pay has risen significantly at the bottom, which is to say instead of living in a van down by the river, you can now afford an apartment. Regional compensation hasn't changed much at the middle or top, and you can make a plausible case that it has declined at the top, especially if you count QOL and bennies. Just the nature of the beast, only reason the bottom has improved is because needs to attract pilots. |
Originally Posted by iahflyr
(Post 2309245)
Each legacy airline still has 10,000+ resumes on their desk.
Make your own conclusion about whether or not to call this a Pilot shortage but the fact is hiring practices are changing. There are 15 more years of escalating nationwide retirements. |
Originally Posted by jcountry
(Post 2419431)
The best way to put it:
Once a regional becomes a place which doesn't suck, it's too expensive-and the flying will go to the bottom feeders. The regional industry blows. It's a B scale with no light at the end of the tunnel for too many people. Soo you're saying you can make a career at Mesa cause they suck and will always suck? [emoji848] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by milldog60
(Post 2419607)
Soo you're saying you can make a career at Mesa cause they suck and will always suck? [emoji848]
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Ironically our seniority list is shrinking after the TA passed. Short of a bad recession I see Mesa shrinking considerably over the next 5 years.
With the wholly owneds becoming accepted cost centers for mainline, I think a new school of thought regarding regionals has emerged. |
Originally Posted by Sr. Barco
(Post 2419552)
This is not accurate in the case of SWA. Earlier this year SWA had ~2,800 qualified applicants on file and historically they've had ~7,000 on file on any given day. Hence why they changed the 1,000 TPIC requirement to 1,000 TPIC preferred. We can assume those same ~2,800 applicants are most likely on file at the usually legacies and cargo carriers. Recently SWA has eliminated the type rating requirement and the 1,000 TPIC requirement. Those are 40+ year policies gone in the span of only a couple of years.
Make your own conclusion about whether or not to call this a Pilot shortage but the fact is hiring practices are changing. There are 15 more years of escalating nationwide retirements. |
Originally Posted by atpcliff
(Post 2420318)
FO I flew with recently said AA HR told him they now have 3000 resumes on file of qualified applicants...2007 they had 13,000.
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Anyone have a breakdown or list of the mandatory retirement's at each airline? I know I saw one somewhere but can't remember where.
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