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Old 03-29-2017 | 11:01 AM
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The contract does? Well there you go. Still, point stands. Trying to bargain mandatory hats for pay rates or a flow is a fool's errand and laughable...
You don't even work at 9E, or if you do, you've not read the contract. Its absolutely true this place is a lot better than pre-BK, but anything the company wants comes with a price. Hats included. That's my price, if you want us to look like Delta, pay us like Delta, period. Until then, I'll keep my leather jacket and bare head.
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Old 03-29-2017 | 11:02 AM
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Hey kid, stick around and fly our RJ for 5-6 years and we'll give ya a shot at the "bigs", maybe.
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Old 03-29-2017 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Green Needles
You don't even work at 9E, or if you do, you've not read the contract. Its absolutely true this place is a lot better than pre-BK, but anything the company wants comes with a price. Hats included. That's my price, if you want us to look like Delta, pay us like Delta, period. Until then, I'll keep my leather jacket and bare head.
And I'm sure they would gladly laugh you out of the room. Then, when the bonus goes away, you are going to have to give up even more to get even a percentage of that money back. This isn't a hostage negotiation.

You are better off trading hats for other things throw away items the company wants.
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Old 03-29-2017 | 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
And I'm sure they would gladly laugh you out of the room. Then, when the bonus goes away, you are going to have to give up even more to get even a percentage of that money back. This isn't a hostage negotiation.

You are better off trading hats for other things throw away items the company wants.
There's power in the triangle hat they love em. Bonus won't go away cause pilots will go away. Including myself. Or any pay cut
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Old 03-29-2017 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
And I'm sure they would gladly laugh you out of the room. Then, when the bonus goes away, you are going to have to give up even more to get even a percentage of that money back. This isn't a hostage negotiation.

You are better off trading hats for other things throw away items the company wants.
Step 1, get 9E pilots dependent on the bonus. Step 2, take it away unless they wear the hats. Step 3, drop rumors of simpler career progression to ensure a yes vote.

This time it will be a real handshake DGI, trust us, btw, they added a third day to the interview, ever seen the show Ninja Warrior.
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Old 03-29-2017 | 11:51 AM
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I'm sensing a little cynicism going on here. Let me remind you delta management has been discussing this already. Not a big secret. So let's move the conversation forward regarding "when" not "if".
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Old 03-29-2017 | 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by saab340driver
I'm sensing a little cynicism going on here. Let me remind you delta management has been discussing this already. Not a big secret. So let's move the conversation forward regarding "when" not "if".
Delta management discussing the Endeavor flow:

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Old 03-29-2017 | 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Green Needles
Hahahahaha. You think we should just lay down and accept whatever the company wants of us? Instead of being smart, how about you realize your own value and demand more. The regional model is a despicable excuse to pad the executives' and shareholders' pockets. We fly the same passengers on the same routes for a pittance compared to mainline with no defined way out. The quality of service we provide for the customer is no different, the licensing, training, and experience required is no different, yet we get paid less than half what they get.

Start valuing yourself a little more and demand our Union not bow to whatever the company wants. It's a different market now.
This argument about regional pilots being on par with mainline pilots gets really old. We do similar jobs, but the requirements to get the job are literally light years apart. Regionals will gladly hire anyone with a pulse and pilot certificate. DUIs, multiple training failures, alcohol problems, pedophila convictions? No problem! Sign right here! It's harsh to hear, but no, regional pilots are no where close to the same category as mainline pilots until you pass the stringent screening requirements.
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Old 03-29-2017 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Green Needles
You don't even work at 9E, or if you do, you've not read the contract. Its absolutely true this place is a lot better than pre-BK, but anything the company wants comes with a price. Hats included. That's my price, if you want us to look like Delta, pay us like Delta, period. Until then, I'll keep my leather jacket and bare head.
1000% this^^^^^^
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Old 03-29-2017 | 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Rahlifer
This argument about regional pilots being on par with mainline pilots gets really old. We do similar jobs, but the requirements to get the job are literally light years apart. Regionals will gladly hire anyone with a pulse and pilot certificate. DUIs, multiple training failures, alcohol problems, pedophila convictions? No problem! Sign right here! It's harsh to hear, but no, regional pilots are no where close to the same category as mainline pilots until you pass the stringent screening requirements.
I didn't know this was the Mesa forum! I joke, I joke. Seriously, we are a lot closer than you think. We fly jets on 4+ hour cross country legs (let's not talk about how uncomfortable our passengers must be in the back of an RJ LGA-IAH). We have to have an ATP with a minimum of 1500 hours. We are held to the exact same standards for safety and training. We have to meet the same customer service requirements as the Delta brand. We also work worse schedules under worse work rules than mainline. Let's also not forget the 900 can fly higher, faster, and longer than a 717. Sure the 717 is 13" longer and carries 34 more people, but let's not forget Delta has a CRJ-900 pay scale. The only reason we (the regionals) exist is we still agree to spend a career working for pennies on the dollar compared to mainline. The only thing that is "light years apart" as you say, is the difference between today's "regionals" and yesterday's true regionals flying small turboprops on 150 mile or less flights.
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