Piedmont Airlines: Based on total list pilots, and increases every 125 pilots on the list. We are currently at 596 pilots and flowing 4/mo. Next month 600 pilots triggers our flow increase to 5/mo.

Piedmont pilots do not have to be captains to flow.

If a PDT pilot fails training at AA, he/she is able to return to PDT at their original seniority number/pay.

MIND YOU: over 100 pilots are lifers/attrition = FAST FLOW

Out of each new Hire Class a month (about 80) Half are WO's, the other 45% are Military and the 4-5 pilots left are from other Regional Carriers (super lucky ones). Good Luck with that thinking.:rolleyes:

Envoy for new hires based on total list. 5 flows per month plus 1 for every 125 pilot after 480. So at 605 we would have 6 flows.

The rest of the list flows at differing faster rates.

350 lifers = faster flow?

So your flow is no better than PSA. Who started at 5/month. And if you fail at AA, you can return to the same position at PSA. And tell me, do you flow out of seniority at PDT?

So 600 pilots with 5 flows a month but lets subtract 100 lifers so 500 potential AA employees moving at the rate of 5 a month. Thats 100 months. Thats 8.3 years.

I never get this argument. AA WOs have the fastest upgrade time in the industry. We can apply at other majors or at AA just like the non WOs. The majority of people at WO use the flow as a back up and not primary.

Some do wait for the flow because they desire an AA base. It is THE best option if you want to work at AA and have all civilian time as mentioned above. The average total time to get on with a major is still 5-7k hours it will take you that long anyway to get the hours.

Alright, maybe I'm just being dense regarding AA flows or flows in general.

Getting ready to apply to Envoy. I'm not applying for the flow. I'm applying for the domiciles and the commute. Then industry reputation. Then the pay. Then, I guess, the flow. But I really don't even get the flow?

If I'm chugging along in 4-5 years as a CA with Envoy, keeping my nose clean, etc....why not just apply to DL, AA, UAL etc. once I get competitive.

Again not trying to be dumb, I've read these forums for probably 5 months now and doing my research to pick my regional. I just don't get why the flow matters and why people put so much value on it?

Definitely I see value in a going with a WO though.

Do you think everyone is sitting around just waiting for the flow? They are still going to Delta, UPS, United. Remember other airlines are still hiring right?

The value of the flow is 1) You are NEVER guaranteed a job at a Major. You can have a clean record and good resume but you can still be turned down. The flow takes that out of the equation.
2) The flow allows for continuous movement among the ranks. Each month you know your moving up the seniority ladder at one of the WO's. This helps with QOL and other bidding advantages.

You're right there is definitely value in going to a WO. I'm sure soon the other Major's might take notice of this also. Especially if the classes at the WO's continue to get filled up.

Thats kinda my point.....I feel like the flows are just a fancy recruiting tool. It's nice and all but......