AA WO Flow Differences
04-19-2017, 06:09 PM
#11
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Piedmont Airlines: Based on total list pilots, and increases every 125 pilots on the list. We are currently at 596 pilots and flowing 4/mo. Next month 600 pilots triggers our flow increase to 5/mo.
Piedmont pilots do not have to be captains to flow.
If a PDT pilot fails training at AA, he/she is able to return to PDT at their original seniority number/pay.
MIND YOU: over 100 pilots are lifers/attrition = FAST FLOW
Piedmont pilots do not have to be captains to flow.
If a PDT pilot fails training at AA, he/she is able to return to PDT at their original seniority number/pay.
MIND YOU: over 100 pilots are lifers/attrition = FAST FLOW
Last edited by Flyjustin; 04-19-2017 at 06:28 PM.
04-19-2017, 06:17 PM
#12
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Originally Posted by minimwage4
No they're all the same you're going to be waiting years and years while your buddies at other non WO get in before you. AA alone is going to have like 600 retirements a year for the next 10 at least. By the time you flow 7 to 10 years later you'll be at the bottom of the hiring curve.
04-19-2017, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyjustin
Piedmont Airlines: Based on total list pilots, and increases every 125 pilots on the list. We are currently at 596 pilots and flowing 4/mo. Next month 600 pilots triggers our flow increase to 5/mo.
Piedmont pilots do not have to be captains to flow.
If a PDT pilot fails training at AA, he/she is able to return to PDT at their original seniority number/pay.
MIND YOU: over 100 pilots are lifers/attrition = FAST FLOW
Piedmont pilots do not have to be captains to flow.
If a PDT pilot fails training at AA, he/she is able to return to PDT at their original seniority number/pay.
MIND YOU: over 100 pilots are lifers/attrition = FAST FLOW
The rest of the list flows at differing faster rates.
350 lifers = faster flow?
04-19-2017, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyjustin
Piedmont Airlines: Based on total list pilots, and increases every 125 pilots on the list. We are currently at 596 pilots and flowing 4/mo. Next month 600 pilots triggers our flow increase to 5/mo.
Piedmont pilots do not have to be captains to flow.
If a PDT pilot fails training at AA, he/she is able to return to PDT at their original seniority number/pay.
MIND YOU: over 100 pilots are lifers/attrition = FAST FLOW
Piedmont pilots do not have to be captains to flow.
If a PDT pilot fails training at AA, he/she is able to return to PDT at their original seniority number/pay.
MIND YOU: over 100 pilots are lifers/attrition = FAST FLOW
04-19-2017, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by minimwage4
No they're all the same you're going to be waiting years and years while your buddies at other non WO get in before you. AA alone is going to have like 600 retirements a year for the next 10 at least. By the time you flow 7 to 10 years later you'll be at the bottom of the hiring curve.
I never get this argument. AA WOs have the fastest upgrade time in the industry. We can apply at other majors or at AA just like the non WOs. The majority of people at WO use the flow as a back up and not primary.
Some do wait for the flow because they desire an AA base. It is THE best option if you want to work at AA and have all civilian time as mentioned above. The average total time to get on with a major is still 5-7k hours it will take you that long anyway to get the hours.
04-19-2017, 08:01 PM
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Alright, maybe I'm just being dense regarding AA flows or flows in general.
Getting ready to apply to Envoy. I'm not applying for the flow. I'm applying for the domiciles and the commute. Then industry reputation. Then the pay. Then, I guess, the flow. But I really don't even get the flow?
If I'm chugging along in 4-5 years as a CA with Envoy, keeping my nose clean, etc....why not just apply to DL, AA, UAL etc. once I get competitive.
Again not trying to be dumb, I've read these forums for probably 5 months now and doing my research to pick my regional. I just don't get why the flow matters and why people put so much value on it?
Definitely I see value in a going with a WO though.
Getting ready to apply to Envoy. I'm not applying for the flow. I'm applying for the domiciles and the commute. Then industry reputation. Then the pay. Then, I guess, the flow. But I really don't even get the flow?
If I'm chugging along in 4-5 years as a CA with Envoy, keeping my nose clean, etc....why not just apply to DL, AA, UAL etc. once I get competitive.
Again not trying to be dumb, I've read these forums for probably 5 months now and doing my research to pick my regional. I just don't get why the flow matters and why people put so much value on it?
Definitely I see value in a going with a WO though.
04-19-2017, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by StrykerB21
So 600 pilots with 5 flows a month but lets subtract 100 lifers so 500 potential AA employees moving at the rate of 5 a month. Thats 100 months. Thats 8.3 years.
04-19-2017, 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Md5drivr
Alright, maybe I'm just being dense regarding AA flows or flows in general.
Getting ready to apply to Envoy. I'm not applying for the flow. I'm applying for the domiciles and the commute. Then industry reputation. Then the pay. Then, I guess, the flow. But I really don't even get the flow?
If I'm chugging along in 4-5 years as a CA with Envoy, keeping my nose clean, etc....why not just apply to DL, AA, UAL etc. once I get competitive.
Again not trying to be dumb, I've read these forums for probably 5 months now and doing my research to pick my regional. I just don't get why the flow matters and why people put so much value on it?
Definitely I see value in a going with a WO though.
Getting ready to apply to Envoy. I'm not applying for the flow. I'm applying for the domiciles and the commute. Then industry reputation. Then the pay. Then, I guess, the flow. But I really don't even get the flow?
If I'm chugging along in 4-5 years as a CA with Envoy, keeping my nose clean, etc....why not just apply to DL, AA, UAL etc. once I get competitive.
Again not trying to be dumb, I've read these forums for probably 5 months now and doing my research to pick my regional. I just don't get why the flow matters and why people put so much value on it?
Definitely I see value in a going with a WO though.
2) The flow allows for continuous movement among the ranks. Each month you know your moving up the seniority ladder at one of the WO's. This helps with QOL and other bidding advantages.
You're right there is definitely value in going to a WO. I'm sure soon the other Major's might take notice of this also. Especially if the classes at the WO's continue to get filled up.
04-19-2017, 08:15 PM
#19
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Originally Posted by billyho
Do you think everyone is sitting around just waiting for the flow? They are still going to Delta, UPS, United. Remember other airlines are still hiring right?
04-19-2017, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Md5drivr
Thats kinda my point.....I feel like the flows are just a fancy recruiting tool. It's nice and all but......
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