REALLY...you have no clue. I typically see military guys; especially F-teeners getting extra instruction and failing check rides. Because dropping bombs and a split-s have nothing to do with 121 flying. But that is another thread...

And what secret does the military have that has not made it to the "civilian" world of flying that makes someone trainable. Because that is what this is really all about...does not matter if you have 10 hours or 10,000 you are either trainable or not trainable and that is what the military weeds out...and that is what we do in 121 training departments.

BWP...OUT

Also...I know a gal that was hired at United with 800 hours TT...are you going to add United to the same catagory as Mesa??? Gee you better not fly on them...what a discrace to the industry!

 

maybe I should grow a pair and apply at united...(boobs that is.....)

Does anyone have the direct email to apply at mesa??
I don't want the airlineapps B.S

 

This subject is dumb. If all these "low time" pilots are so unworthy of a airline job (prop or jet)...why dont we have more planes crashing all over the place???? How many flights are completed safely in a day? These low mins are not anything new. There are low time guys right now as we speak flying a leg from who knows where in who knows what kind of conditions, and I am willing to bet that they will arrive safely at their destination. Until you find me a 500/50 APPLICANT who is the reason for an accident in an airline....i dont think it matters how low the mins are. Given a couple months they are not a 500/50 pilot anymore anywhoo...so why does it matter?

What were the ages of the pilots involved in the most recent accidents/incidents?

Point being....there are alot more factors then age and experience.

I for one am NOT a 500/50 hour pilot and i do believe experience is the number one thing to HELP keep you alive...but until there grows a SAFETY problem with these "unexperienced" pilots...let it be. There are plenty of 30 year old pilots working for these no pay carriers. They are doing the thing they love....leave em alone....

As mentioned before....the company dictates the pay...not the pilots...you cant expect every flight instructor to stick around until 3000 hours....not going to happen..ever

 

I was a CFI and commuter pilot first jackass! Been to Iraq and missed more holidays than I've made over the last decade doing both jobs. Don't lecture me about dues. And I've flown with 300 hour wonders as a Capt. You can have 'em, I want no part of it.

 

First, there's always the 10% in any group that will squeak through and shoudn't have...I've flown with 300 hour wonders under 121, have you? Some or ok sticks and good with book knowledge, all lack in judgement, not due to ability but lack of experience. How do you change that? Get experience! I don't believe a 121 cockpit is the place to begin to learn basic pilot judgement, refine it, sure. You'll notice that UA discontinued that process. If had continued since then till today, it would be a different story.

 

Yeah..if you were lucky enough to find a place that would allow you to do that... I spent 6 months instructing for a raging a$$ getting screwed over every chance he had...I was able to get a little bit more experience in IFR and dealing with IFR flying but after a while it got to be the same thing everyday. I had to practically beg to fly in his crappy Navajo...after leaving this job he sent me a bill for "the instruction he gave me in the twin" when I was simply flying for him so he could get some rest.

Before flight instructing I went to a very structured University where we were trained specifically in CRJ-200 Systems, CRM, spent 20 hours in a CRJ-200 Level 6 FTD flying approaches, stalls, engine failures fires and numeruos other emergencies. We learned standardized callouts, profiles and all the memory items. I feel that my training while attending this university prepared me for my current job more than flight instructing ever did. If anything flight instructing made me lose some of the skills I had learned at school.

I meet people that have 3 times the flight experience that I do that are struggling with the CRJ-- I meet people with the same time that are handling it fine. Don't judge soley based on time, look at the background of the person applying judge their strengths and weaknesses and make a decision off of that.

I got hired to fly the CRJ with TT 650 ME 55...20 CRJ FTD

 

Hello gentelmen,

At the time the aviation is booming!! The reason I'm saying this is just look at various regional airlines that have lowered the minimums from the magic number 1200tt/100 multi to 500/50. I heard rumors that eagle is lowering their minimus to 400tt/50 multi.
You guys talk about safety,,, even you put a guy with that low time in the cockpit as a first officer it is safe. There is a captain. There are bunch of flights every day and we have low time pilots with 600tt sitting on the right seat,,, do we hear any crashes on the news . NOOOO we don't.
I know guys in Europe that start flying airbus 320 from right seat with 250tt. No crashes so far,,,,with time this low time pilots gaing experience and become better pilots.

Just keep applying to various airlines and make sure you get your card in. How knows what the aviation market will look like in a year.

Good Luck guys.

 

I agree with slice on this one.

The military is successful because they can do things the regionals can't. They NEED pilots. While the military does too they have a large pool just waiting around. They get to up their requirements. They take a guy and test his breaking point daily. He's under constant pressure of failing. He spends all his day studying and when he's not doing that or getting his 4hrs of sleep he's working out then flying. You can't expect some cheeseball with 500hrs putting forth that kind of effort. All you can expect is someone to get their commercial then go split a light twin and do cross-countries everywhere while one of them supposidly was under the hood so they can both log it.

I currently fly a C-172 and a Merlin. I have about 80hrs in the merlin. I study the systems and books on it all the time yet I would never hop in and try and go solo. The two things that makes me different from some 500hr wonder are A)I have enough experience to know I'm not even close to knowing it all and B)I've had enough time to learn my limits. You CAN'T have both of these until you've flown a wide variety of aircraft with a wide variety of people.

Yes a pilot with 200hrs might make a carrier landing. But he sure as hell can't seem to fly a 172. I've had about a dozen military guys who fly T-38's and T-6's try and rent our company plane. They get ****ed off I tell them I want to check them out. Then they try and drive it into the ground going 120kias with flaps up wanting to kill us both.

Different people, different environments, different training for different jobs, and different situations. You simply can't compair military training per hour to some kid with 500hrs.

 

I think we have made a point....thanks for backing me up....If its not broke...dont fix it

 

I've heard of several. What if something like the captain passing out over the controls? What if that happens?