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Old 03-04-2007 | 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by bintynogin
News flash 1000/100 doesnt make you a pro... 500 of that 1000 or 1200 is sitting in the right seat BSing with you student pilot. You weren't flying... You were along from the ride. Dont bash low time pilots, some of them have better experience than guys with 1200/100...
Not everyone was just instructing for that 1000 or 1200 hours. Most of mine was 135 VFR charters along with a steady part 91 corp gig in a 210 flying single pilot IFR. Instructing counted for the least amount of my time. Not bashing instructing, I learned a lot from it. I feel lucky I was doing more than instructing.
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Old 03-04-2007 | 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by bintynogin
Just out of curiousity, how is Mesa's 500/100 different from Pinnacle's, Trans State, Express Jet (600/100), Comair, ASA. It doesnt make much sense to me that you want to send it to USA today... That's not news worthy at all..

News flash 1000/100 doesnt make you a pro... 500 of that 1000 or 1200 is sitting in the right seat BSing with you student pilot. You weren't flying... You were along from the ride. Dont bash low time pilots, some of them have better experience than guys with 1200/100...


You suck Ellen... You know I had pitty for everyone bashing on HMP a couple months ago, but now you... All the low time pilots are gonna be bashing you soon... You suck... "I suggest that this get forwarded to USA Today, along with all the other "Reduced" minimums hiring . . .i.e. 850 SKYW, 800 Eagle, 600 XJT, etc . . ." What kind of crazy Sh!t is that


Name calling . . . how pathetic. Oh yes, let's add the other airlines too . . . Mine was just a partial list, I am glad to see that you have started to fill in the blanks. And just another note . . 1000/100 doesn't make you a pro either.

Let's look at this another way . . . . How experienced do you think a 15 1/2 year old driver is with his temporary permit? How about a 17 year old driver? A 17 year old has about 500 hours of driving experience.

Would you trust a 17 year old driver behind an 18 wheeler driving cross country through all kinds of weather, road construction, traffic jams,etc. and sharing the road with you?

The country (American Public) would have a cow if they knew an inexperienced 17 year old was driving a 20 ton rig down the interstate. Yet they have no idea that is what is happening at the airlines.

Please feel free to post with your new opinions after you have several thousand hours of flying. I can guarantee that your opinion will differ much more than it does now.
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Old 03-04-2007 | 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by de727ups
It's not a perfect world. But hours/experience/ratings/background is how things are judged. UPS has 1000 PIC turbine as a min. If you have 800 PIC turbine, are you just as good? You can make the case either way, but you don't meet the stated standard, so it's a moot point.

I'd take a 1000 hour pilot sitting next to me before I'd take a 300 hour pilot. Though you like to preach it, there is no substitute for experience. I'll tell ya right now, the world isn't gonna change for a 19 year old kid who thinks he knows it all. Just give it up.
I couldn't agree more. If 300 hour or even 600 hour pilots are so experienced, than why doesn't Southwest, FedEx , JetBlue, AirTran, Alaska, Continental, Delta, et el hire them? It's because they don't have decision making skills, and lack of decision making skills leads to incidents and accidents.
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Old 03-04-2007 | 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Ellen
Name calling . . . how pathetic. Oh yes, let's add the other airlines too . . . Mine was just a partial list, I am glad to see that you have started to fill in the blanks. And just another note . . 1000/100 doesn't make you a pro either.

Let's look at this another way . . . . How experienced do you think a 15 1/2 year old driver is with his temporary permit? How about a 17 year old driver? A 17 year old has about 500 hours of driving experience.

Would you trust a 17 year old driver behind an 18 wheeler driving cross country through all kinds of weather, road construction, traffic jams,etc. and sharing the road with you?

The country (American Public) would have a cow if they knew an inexperienced 17 year old was driving a 20 ton rig down the interstate. Yet they have no idea that is what is happening at the airlines.

Please feel free to post with your new opinions after you have several thousand hours of flying. I can guarantee that your opinion will differ much more than it does now.
Well boss I didnt call you any name. You made it, so now you can think stupid stuff like using the media to drag down low time guys. How stupid!. You logic doesnt make any sense. I'm sure that an extra 2000 hours in my logbook wont make me think to spread the news to USA today. Young pilots already have it bad with the passengers saying stupid sh!t like "are you old enough to fly this little plane" now you want to add to it.. How selfish of you.

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Old 03-04-2007 | 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by bintynogin
Well boss I didnt call you any name. You made it, so now you can think stupid stuff like using the media to drag down low time guys. How stupid!. You logic doesnt make any sense. I'm sure that an extra 2000 hours in my logbook wont make me think to spread the news to USA today. Young pilots already have it bad with the passengers saying stupid sh!t like "are you old enough to fly this little plane" now you want to add to it.. How selfish of you.
You seem to be scared about the USA Today thing . . . Do you think it might ruin your chances to fly a jet with low time? Nonetheless, you'll understand the big picture soon enough. (I hope.)
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Old 03-05-2007 | 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Ellen
I couldn't agree more. If 300 hour or even 600 hour pilots are so experienced, than why doesn't Southwest, FedEx , JetBlue, AirTran, Alaska, Continental, Delta, et el hire them? It's because they don't have decision making skills, and lack of decision making skills leads to incidents and accidents.

If the media starts an isssue, it won't change a thing...
if anything, it'll rather be negative on the industry as a WHOLE

300/600hr pilots DONT know it all, and they'll admit it also....
we just want to accelerate our lives other than going into armed forces...
flying right set on a 50 passenger jet isn't the worst thing an airliner can do.....the FO isn't making the decisions, the CA is...and who's that? A 2000+hr pilot....some1 with a lot more experience....what's the low timer really doing...maybe do the radios? Put the gear or flaps in? How much damage can he do?


And for ELLEN'S sake,....if the captain becomes unconscious...an accident waiting to happen...the FO WILL land the plane, and the pax WILL walk away thanking the young good looking stud GREATLY!

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Old 03-05-2007 | 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by CL65driver
.... at 500 hours I was scared $hitless to even fly IFR solo, let alone a jet with 50-98 people on board. Way to go Mesa, a prime example of our race to the bottom.
I'm not trying to bash XJT, but I hope you realize your airline is one of the biggest employers of 500 hour ATP/ERAU grads out there... and has one of the easiest and least stringent interview process in the industry (the interview at XJT was actually shorter/less rigorous than a job interview I attended for a serving job with Fleming's Prime Steakhouse...and no, I am not kidding).

I personally think they could do a much better job at screening applicants, but for some reason they choose not to.

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Old 03-05-2007 | 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Ellen
I couldn't agree more. If 300 hour or even 600 hour pilots are so experienced, than why doesn't Southwest, FedEx , JetBlue, AirTran, Alaska, Continental, Delta, et el hire them? It's because they don't have decision making skills, and lack of decision making skills leads to incidents and accidents.
NO, the day there aren't anymore pilots avialable is the day Fedex will lower their mins to 300. Supply and demand, has nothing to do with experience. How do you explain the fact that regionals used to hire at 2500 with 500 multi and now have dropped to a couple of hundred? Or what about parts of the world that hire 500 hour 737/A320 pilots?
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Old 03-05-2007 | 03:20 AM
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I thought that the mins at Mesa were always lower than 500...I got an interview there over a year ago with 400 and I know someone else who had around 300 when he got the interview (and took the job), so how is this anything new?
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Old 03-05-2007 | 03:33 AM
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