A lot of things lead to accidents...Southwest, FedEx, AirTran, Alaska, Delta have all had accidents / incidents. Unfortunate but true.

-LAFF

 

I don't think it's fair to state that all young pilots lack decision making skills likewise not all older pilots have good decision making skills.

 

Wellllll, the airplane involved is irrelevant. Are you saying that poor decision-making skills learned in a C172 won't hurt you later on down the road in a shiny jet? Geesh. There is value in experience, ANY kind of experience.

 

You guys are all to young to know or remember when UNITED (yea that legacy one) put adds in the newspaper looking for people interested in becoming a pilot...

There are several Foreign carriers that have ab initio programs...as does Mesa.

The thing I have a hard time believing is that if ANY major airline called you TODAY with whatever time you had...you would say NO, in the interest of safety...I think I should build more time flying checks at night, flight instructing, or flying at a crappy regional...give me a break.

Oh, yea...flight instructing for $7.50 an hour for a few more years...right. If you know your history...in the early 90's you needed 4000-6000 to get on with most regionals (and that was to fly a turbo-prop). Glad to see that you have all agreed that 1000 hours is now the new safety margin for flying!

 

same thing I was thinking BigWatch... why is 1000/100 the safety margin..

 

I'm not scared about anything.. I think it would be selfish of you to do something like that. It wont help anything. As for me flying a jet with low time, I passed that up by choice... My day will come, and I could be sitting right next to you and you wouldn't even know it.

Questions for you to seriously answer:

1. Have you ever jumpseated on an RJ, did you ask the FO to see his log book to decide if it was safe for you go get to work?
2. If you are a captain and wherever you flying, do you ask the FO before each flight to see his log book.
3. Didnt someone give you a chance when you had "low time"
4. Do you allow you friends and family to fly on RJ and props are do you just have them take the train for safety..

 

Having been a 250/15 hour pilot, a 1000/100 hour pilot, and a 1500/350 hour pilot I can state with confidence that there are a LOT of things to be learned in GA between 250 and 1000 hours. After that the learning curve tapers off a bit. The amount of flight experience it takes to "get it" depends on the individual...

Sound professional judgement is where maturity, high-stakes decision making experience, and knowledge come together. Some of the knowledge can be learned academically, but a lot of it you have to see for yourself.

A 21 year old with an agressive attitude and 250 hours has three strikes already. He has no maturity, no decision making experience, and little knowledge (he didn't pay attention in class)

A 30 year-old cubicle worker doing a career change has some maturity, and some decision making skills, but is not accumstomed to making decisions in life-and-death circumstances. He paid attention to the books and classroom stuff.

A 40 year retired soldier, cop, or construction contractor has maturity and relevant decision-making skills...all he really needs is a little knowledge, which he already knows how to acquire.


Which of these folks needs 600, 1500, or 3500 hours?

 

ok so who doesnt belong in the cockpit of a RJ:
Low timers or Young adults?

Would you fly with some that had 1500/200 but is 20,
or with someone who has 700/50 and it's 29.....

Because this thread is going back and forth with low timers and 19y old kids.

and tell me this....If EVERY single one of you got an email, asking to fly for a company,(not taking pay/status into consideration), tell me if I'm wrong by saying that every one of you, w/o a doubt, would take the job?

 

Amazing logic there...how in the world does the Military every get those 21 year olds through flight training and flying F-teeners with a few hundred hours?? Aircraft commander, complex jet, combat ready...you might want to let them know they will have better results getting 30 year olds with 1500 hrs!

BWP...OUT

 

Age doesn't matter. Time however does. While yes there are some that might hvae 500hrs and it all be great flying and nothing redundant the vast majority does not posess the skill level required. It isn't until you get more hours that you look back and realize how much you've progressed. I have 1800hrs and can look back at when I had 500hrs and can easily see the progression I've made. Hindsight is 20/20 but not foresight. Only when I'm at 3000hrs will I be able to look back at now with 1800hrs and see the progression I've made.

After having noted the progression made since 500hrs I can say with confidence they don't belong in a cockpit of a RJ. The best anyone of considerable low time can do is just sit back and realize there is still a ton to learn ahead. I consider anything below 2000hrs low time. So yes I'm putting myself in that pool.