3EngineTaxi

I'm interested in compiling an updated comparison on basic QOL factors and work rules between the various airlines. I think it would be most helpful and informative to keep the heated emotion and recruiter propaganda off this thread. Thanks!

I'll start.

Envoy:
Minimum days off/month: 11
Minimum guarantee (hours/month): 72 lineholder, 75 reserve
Minimum credit/calendar day: 0
Trip rig: none
Duty rig: none
Deadhead pay: 75%
Commuter policy: 6 missed commutes/12 months if one has 2 attempts to get to work.

Happyflyer

I don't think this will paint the picture your looking for. The averages are more important than the minimum.
Its like correlating that the state minimum wage in Washington is $15 bucks an hour and only $8 in Ohio then it's easier to make $100k a year in Washington.

For example I credit over 5 hours for each working day at PSA, and it's always commutable. Our minday is only 3.5 with carveouts on the first and last day.
Same thing with deadhead pay, if it's 50% or 100% doesn't matter if your getting paid through minday, or on rsv. Also a 23 hour 4 day with 2 50% DH is worth more than a 20 hour 4 day with 2 100% Dh's. I talk to pilots all the time who say the bid to avoid DH because it pays less.

And your almost always going to see better minday and rigs at company's that use PBS, because that's how they got them. It can't be applied in equal value to a company with hard lines.

If you had no rig or minday protection and your junior with PBS then you'd go straight to mindays off min-guarantee, because the trip productivity would be so low by the time it got to you.
Same with senior guys, they would have limited flexibility because it would want to only award the high credit trips to them.
So in a way the company balances hard lines in a way that PBS can only do with a rig or minday value. It's not direct compensation to the pilot group.

Fleron270

Air Wisconsin:
Minimum days off/month: 12
Minimum guarantee (hours/month): 75 hours lineholder and reserve
Minimum credit/calendar day: 3 hours
Trip rig: 4:1
Duty rig: 2:1
Deadhead pay: 100%
Commuter policy: 2 attempts

My lowest credit 4-day this year has been 19h51m, my highest has been 29h37m. I have been averaging about 25h credit per 4 day trip. As a second year F/O, with the retention bonus, I am looking at making $85-90k this year before tax, not including per diem.

Happyflyer

That's legit, Are the rigs just for line construction or do they pay in operation. I imagine everyone extends and makes a killing during IROPS.

tcco94

Wow that's extremely good first year pay. Breakdown?

WhiskeyKilo

Endeavor Air
Minimum days off/month: 11
Minimum guarantee (hours/month): 75
Minimum credit/calendar day: 4 hours. 5-day trips pay 25 hours min.
Trip rig: none
Duty rig: none
Deadhead pay: 100%
Commuter policy: Call in honest policy. Allow yourself at least two suitable (not oversold/canceled) flights to get you to your base. If first cancels scheduling will more often than not give you positive space on your next flight.

4V14T0R

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Grumbletrousers

Yeah I'd like to see that breakdown.

Even at 100hrs a month at 41$ plus 22k in bonuses you're still 20k short of your 90k estimate.

No Lies

You guys are doing this the hard way. All that info is already published every month in a very nice grid for all airlines. Aero Crew has a monthly magazine that will show the details without the emotional issues this tread might start.

It starts at page 50 of the latest magazine:

http://www.aerocrewnews.com/acn/2017...N-May-2017.pdf

Fleron270

I am crediting about 150 a month with 9-12 days off.