Good article
07-20-2017, 09:31 AM
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Good article
Airline pilots reveals the truths and myths behind the pilot shortage - Business Insider
This guy sums up the truth of the situation fairly well.
This guy sums up the truth of the situation fairly well.
07-20-2017, 06:03 PM
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This may be exaggerated (i made it out of the commuters 15 years ago) but....
My friends who ended up stuck there (Lost Decade guys with "too much" captain time) are telling me that UAL and DAL are snatching up young 3 year FOs left and right, instead of pulling guys from the top end of the seniority list.
Again, they may be exaggerating, but pulling from regional FOs instead of captains isn't going to help the commuter shortage either
My friends who ended up stuck there (Lost Decade guys with "too much" captain time) are telling me that UAL and DAL are snatching up young 3 year FOs left and right, instead of pulling guys from the top end of the seniority list.
Again, they may be exaggerating, but pulling from regional FOs instead of captains isn't going to help the commuter shortage either
07-20-2017, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by skypine27
My friends who ended up stuck there (Lost Decade guys with "too much" captain time) are telling me that UAL and DAL are snatching up young 3 year FOs left and right, instead of pulling guys from the top end of the seniority list.
I do know what has been here on Envoy's subforum. They are no interview flows to American. A couple of years ago they were flowing 20-25 years of seniority with Envoy. This summer it is down to 12 years (because very few were hired in the lost decade). In 2 years, based on contractual flow rates (and nothing catastrophic happens in the world), they will be down to 7 years of seniority to flow. It will hold steady, more or less, on out.
Without access to the seniority list, it is hard to tell how many were bypassed, voluntarily or involuntarily. My perception is there are not that many that were involuntarily. If anyone has current data, it would be interesting to share it.
07-21-2017, 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by skypine27
This may be exaggerated (i made it out of the commuters 15 years ago) but....
My friends who ended up stuck there (Lost Decade guys with "too much" captain time) are telling me that UAL and DAL are snatching up young 3 year FOs left and right, instead of pulling guys from the top end of the seniority list.
Again, they may be exaggerating, but pulling from regional FOs instead of captains isn't going to help the commuter shortage either
My friends who ended up stuck there (Lost Decade guys with "too much" captain time) are telling me that UAL and DAL are snatching up young 3 year FOs left and right, instead of pulling guys from the top end of the seniority list.
Again, they may be exaggerating, but pulling from regional FOs instead of captains isn't going to help the commuter shortage either
07-21-2017, 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Duesenflieger
There is no way that young FOs are being snatched up unless they are female, black or prior military pilot. New and old captains are being hired at the majors. Most of the old timers complaining don't update their apps or do any of the expected stuff that mainline HR wants to see like volunteering.
+1 here. Those guys never tell the full story or don't realize the real reason why they aren't being picked up.
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07-21-2017, 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Duesenflieger
There is no way that young FOs are being snatched up unless they are female, black or prior military pilot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_kC_bP28iQ
Originally Posted by Duesenflieger
New and old captains are being hired at the majors. Most of the old timers complaining don't update their apps or do any of the expected stuff that mainline HR wants to see like volunteering.
07-21-2017, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Duesenflieger
There is no way that young FOs are being snatched up unless they are female, black or prior military pilot.
07-21-2017, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by sweetholyjesus
Good for the blacks and women. I just better not see any transgenders or mexicans TERKING ER JERBS!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_kC_bP28iQ
True. I've heard so many captains complain about not getting hired, but those same guys refuse to volunteer or make themselves stand out because "they shouldn't have to". NOBODY has to volunteer, but that's kind of the point
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_kC_bP28iQ
True. I've heard so many captains complain about not getting hired, but those same guys refuse to volunteer or make themselves stand out because "they shouldn't have to". NOBODY has to volunteer, but that's kind of the point
But hey, have the right anatomy and/or color and you're good to go. This old mantra of "paying your dues" went out the window when the rules of the game were selectively applied. You just didn't get hired at <insert major/legacy airline here> because you failed to wear the correct color tie given the day of the week you interviewed. Yes, that might be hyperbole but you get the point.They're complaining because they're flying mainline routes with equipment in mainline livery for regional wages. That's garbage. You betcha they have every right to complain. They were just paying their dues....until the dues simply didn't matter anymore.
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07-22-2017, 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Quarryman
Because dumping soup into a bowl at a soup kitchen really has something to do with your ability to effectively be a safe pilot and a good leader. But hey, have the right anatomy and/or color and you're good to go. This old mantra of "paying your dues" went out the window when the rules of the game were selectively applied. You just didn't get hired at <insert major/legacy airline here> because you failed to wear the correct color tie given the day of the week you interviewed. Yes, that might be hyperbole but you get the point.
They're complaining because they're flying mainline routes with equipment in mainline livery for regional wages. That's garbage. You betcha they have every right to complain. They were just paying their dues....until the dues simply didn't matter anymore.
But hey, have the right anatomy and/or color and you're good to go. This old mantra of "paying your dues" went out the window when the rules of the game were selectively applied. You just didn't get hired at <insert major/legacy airline here> because you failed to wear the correct color tie given the day of the week you interviewed. Yes, that might be hyperbole but you get the point.They're complaining because they're flying mainline routes with equipment in mainline livery for regional wages. That's garbage. You betcha they have every right to complain. They were just paying their dues....until the dues simply didn't matter anymore.
Ding, ding, ding... Exactly!
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