Connect and get the inside scoop on Airline Companies

Welcome to Airline Pilot Forums - Connect and get the inside scoop on Airline Companies

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ. Join our community today and start interacting with existing members. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free.


User Tag List

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 08-12-2017, 02:48 PM   #11  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Utah's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Oct 2005
Position: RJ Captain
Posts: 1,012
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by andry754 View Post
I know there is no place like home, and that there will always be pilots that will fly for cheap but that doesn't mean that every single regional airline pilot job is saturated. Their is still an enormous shortage of willing pilots to take a job that make 36k GROSS a year. so why not bump up the NET starting salary to increase the demand of filled pilot seats?
What makes you think the market hasn't already adjusted. New hire pay is up 2-300% over the past 5-6 years. SkyWest which probably has one of the lowest first year compensation packages has hired 1000s of pilots over the last several years. 100s a month. Half of the 4400 pilot seniority list has less than 36 months on the property.

The only airline I hear of cancelling a ton of flights is Horizon. But I'll bet you that Alaska management knew that SkyWest could pick up some of the slack with the old CRJ700s and weren't too worried about Horizon. AK management made the financial decision that they'd rather cancel than pay more.

I think a lot of this crying about a shortage is just management just looking for a cheaper pilot.

Just wait until the economy tanks, flying gets reduced, and all of these bonuses disappear.
Utah is online now  
Old 08-12-2017, 04:14 PM   #12  
Prime Minister/Moderator
 
rickair7777's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 29,667
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by andry754 View Post
I know that you're point plays an important role in deciding the salary of a pilot, but its not good business for regionals to have no one flying their aircraft either. this can be fixed with a decent salary. Im not saying that they have to pay us a minimum of 100k a year, just make it an even 60k atleast. Our training is sometimes that much and more...
They're not out of applicants yet (at least not SKW), so why bother? Actually I think some regionals are paying bonuses to the tune of $60K, if you're willing to sign your life away.

Also...the whole point of regional subcontractors is to keep costs down. If you have to pay mainline wages to regional pilots, then the regionals will cease to exist. The majors want to keep the regionals around because the pilot retirement bubble won't last forever...they'll band-aid it as long as they can, ie bonuses instead of permanent payscale changes.
rickair7777 is offline  
Old 08-12-2017, 05:18 PM   #13  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Milksheikh's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jul 2016
Posts: 150
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by andry754 View Post
Why do Asian airlines pay their pilots so much more than american regional/major airlines? If there is so much demand in both markets, why do North American airlines pay a disrespectful amount of money to their pilot's? I have seen an advertisement by many Chinese regional airlines that pay their FO's & Captains above 200k a year. Why cant American regional airline pay their pilots even a quarter of that a year!?!?
They pay more than the regionals for sure. They don't top the majors here though. About 300k is the top I've seen for capt pay in China. That can be exceeded here although it may take a longer time to achieve. Im still considering going overseas. Why make 60-100k here and wait for the majors to call when you can make 200k+ for 2 on 2 off.
Milksheikh is offline  
Old 08-12-2017, 06:04 PM   #14  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Adlerdriver's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: 767 Captain
Posts: 3,570
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Milksheikh View Post
Why make 60-100k here and wait for the majors to call when you can make 200k+ for 2 on 2 off.
This is why.

Before you really make that move, at least skim through the .pdf in the link below.

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/f...lot-china.html
Adlerdriver is offline  
Old 08-13-2017, 07:01 AM   #15  
Line Holder
 
KnotSee's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Aug 2017
Posts: 44
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by andry754 View Post
I know that you're point plays an important role in deciding the salary of a pilot, but its not good business for regionals to have no one flying their aircraft either. this can be fixed with a decent salary. Im not saying that they have to pay us a minimum of 100k a year, just make it an even 60k atleast. Our training is sometimes that much and more...
You get paid what the market will bear and what your union is able to negotiate.

Entry level pay at the regionals has gone up substantially in the last year or so.

Your flight training costs are of no factor in determining what you get paid.

If you can't afford to live on what you will get paid, then you should have reconsidered being a pilot with only civilian training and therefore, a large debt to repay.
KnotSee is offline  
Old 08-13-2017, 07:40 AM   #16  
Gets Weekends Off
 
sailingfun's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 15,423
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by andry754 View Post
Why do Asian airlines pay their pilots so much more than american regional/major airlines? If there is so much demand in both markets, why do North American airlines pay a disrespectful amount of money to their pilot's? I have seen an advertisement by many Chinese regional airlines that pay their FO's & Captains above 200k a year. Why cant American regional airline pay their pilots even a quarter of that a year!?!?
Good luck actually getting that Chinese regional job paying 200K. Lots of deceptive adds out there. As far as Major airlines the US is the highest paying in the world outside of the first 3 years.
sailingfun is offline  
Old 08-13-2017, 01:01 PM   #17  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Milksheikh's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jul 2016
Posts: 150
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Adlerdriver View Post
This is why.

Before you really make that move, at least skim through the .pdf in the link below.

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/f...lot-china.html
I took a look at it and also check pprune every now and then. I know it's not for everyone but for the more adventurous types it could be an option. Don't know if I could deal with the whole FO smoking in the cockpit though. He'd have to wait to smoke when we land. Unfortunately a lot of these contracts require wide body time. I can see some of the lower paid cargo guys going there to make some real coin while awaiting a call from the majors. There are also some decent contracts if typed in the e175 for regional guys. But if they're hurting that bad for pilots they need to be in the 500k+ range for American pilots to consider straying from the path to the majors to join them. By the time you get PIC time at the regionals you might as well just wait it out for a major to call.
Milksheikh is offline  
Old 08-14-2017, 05:16 AM   #18  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Gundriver64's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jul 2017
Posts: 240
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Adlerdriver View Post
This is why.

Before you really make that move, at least skim through the .pdf in the link below.

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/f...lot-china.html
Reading through the Duke Nukem's diatribe on China flying. It's confirming my assumptions about Chinese culture. Like it or not, stereotypes exist for a reason to the chagrine of the rainbow and unicorn types.
Gundriver64 is offline  
Old 08-14-2017, 05:37 AM   #19  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Kenny's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: Professional Expat
Posts: 321
Default

They offer the kind of money they do because they have to and they can..simple.

Like everything else in life, it's a case of pro's vs con's. Some will take money over working conditions, others will take working conditions over $$$. Having spent the better part of a decade living in Asia and more recently, flying into SE Asia, it's simply not as easy to live there as it is US or Europe.

The biggest problem with becoming an expat pilot isn't finding work overseas and leaving........it's the coming back part.
Kenny is offline  
Old 08-14-2017, 06:33 AM   #20  
Gets Weekends Off
 
gzsg's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Oct 2009
Posts: 2,734
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Utah View Post
What makes you think the market hasn't already adjusted. New hire pay is up 2-300% over the past 5-6 years. SkyWest which probably has one of the lowest first year compensation packages has hired 1000s of pilots over the last several years. 100s a month. Half of the 4400 pilot seniority list has less than 36 months on the property.

The only airline I hear of cancelling a ton of flights is Horizon. But I'll bet you that Alaska management knew that SkyWest could pick up some of the slack with the old CRJ700s and weren't too worried about Horizon. AK management made the financial decision that they'd rather cancel than pay more.

I think a lot of this crying about a shortage is just management just looking for a cheaper pilot.

Just wait until the economy tanks, flying gets reduced, and all of these bonuses disappear.
Blows my mind why any pilot would go to Skywest.

As to the economy tanking, don't hold your breath. It is firing on all cylinders.

Even if it dipped, the retirements are going to happen.

In my opinion all regional flying will go the way of Expressjet with Delta.

Lack of pilots will cause them to violate the performance demanded in their contracts with the legacy carriers. Then the legacies will bring the flying and jets to mainline.

One thing we know about legacy management.

Monkey see, monkey do.
gzsg is offline  
 
 
 

 
Post Reply

Tags
china, foreign, major airline, regional airlines, salary
 



Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Related Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
foreign earned income exclusion penguin22 Foreign 42 06-08-2015 05:30 AM
AMR may be sold off AirbusA320 American 112 02-01-2012 07:31 AM
American Brat Pack Sniper Major 2 12-30-2011 07:50 AM
Banks sought foreign workers 89Pistons Hangar Talk 1 02-02-2009 10:44 AM
World Buys North American Freight Dog Major 0 04-28-2005 07:04 AM


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 07:40 AM.