New ASA minimums
03-16-2007, 01:12 PM
#31
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The industry swings this way...right now its 500 min, eventually it will be back to 2000 to get hired. Some of the captains I've flown with who were hired 7 or 8 years ago (late 90s I believe), were hired with six or seven hundred total. But then some of the newer captains that I've flown with that were hired 4 years ago or so were at or above 2000. It will go down, and it will go back up.
03-16-2007, 01:12 PM
#32
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the military puts 300 hour pilots in the right seat of 707's, kc-10's, c-17's, and sends guys out by themselves in f16's and a10's with the same low time.
its all about the training. if these advanced jet courses get you ready to fly an RJ, then maybe its not so bad. experience is always important but so is training.
its all about the training. if these advanced jet courses get you ready to fly an RJ, then maybe its not so bad. experience is always important but so is training.
03-16-2007, 01:14 PM
#33
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Originally Posted by ghilis101
the military puts 300 hour pilots in the right seat of 707's, kc-10's, c-17's, and sends guys out by themselves in f16's and a10's with the same low time.
its all about the training. if these advanced jet courses get you ready to fly an RJ, then maybe its not so bad. experience is always important but so is training.
its all about the training. if these advanced jet courses get you ready to fly an RJ, then maybe its not so bad. experience is always important but so is training.
03-16-2007, 01:19 PM
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Someone once said that any pilot applying to a 121 airline should have an ATP to be considered for the job. If the pay were comensurate with that requirement, (and I believe it should be), I would happily forgo an RJ job now and keep instructing and then freightdawg it or whatever until I got an ATP. As it is, I will likely take an hourly paycut to go to my first 121 job.
The thing is, all this hiring means movement at the airlines which leads to the precious PIC turbine time. For me, that is the biggest motivator, not flying a jet just for sake of saying so, especially when Ill make $19/hr to do it vs $22 that I get now to teach. But the market drives the mins as well as the pay. I think most people will agree that its not that difficult to train a Commercial, Multi-rated pilot to fly an RJ. Be that as it may, experience is golden IMHO especially when it comes to flying. But thats why the dude in the left seat is pilot in command and the dude in the right seat is his/her 'assistant'. That said, I have reached 600hrs not too long ago and about 55 multi. You can bet I will be applying now and if a 121 company decides that they like me, then the rest is history!
The thing is, all this hiring means movement at the airlines which leads to the precious PIC turbine time. For me, that is the biggest motivator, not flying a jet just for sake of saying so, especially when Ill make $19/hr to do it vs $22 that I get now to teach. But the market drives the mins as well as the pay. I think most people will agree that its not that difficult to train a Commercial, Multi-rated pilot to fly an RJ. Be that as it may, experience is golden IMHO especially when it comes to flying. But thats why the dude in the left seat is pilot in command and the dude in the right seat is his/her 'assistant'. That said, I have reached 600hrs not too long ago and about 55 multi. You can bet I will be applying now and if a 121 company decides that they like me, then the rest is history!
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03-16-2007, 02:01 PM
#37
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Originally Posted by AV8ER
Still didn't answer my question. What should the regionals do then right now, seeing as some can't even fill classes w/500 hour pilots or less. I'm not saying experience isn't important, b/c it is. However, if 500 to 1000 hours is as qualified as there is right now, what other choice is there.
Do you think if RJ FO's were paid $35,000/yr to start, and $50K year two... that they'd still have a hard time finding people with more than 1200/200? Doubt it.
03-16-2007, 02:14 PM
#39
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Originally Posted by ghilis101
they could do what chataqua is doing and give $2500 signing bonuses for erj/crj qualified guys. thats a start
03-16-2007, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by bla bla bla
Anyone heard of the word EXPERIENCE?
Yeah the company can train most smart individuals to sit right seat with low time. They can land the plane, etc., but this turns the aircraft into single pilot operation. Even worse the captain has to watch the FO and ensure he/she does nothing wrong. Creating more of a Burdon in some cases than flying the plane by themselves. Can you say fatigue?
Yeah the company can train most smart individuals to sit right seat with low time. They can land the plane, etc., but this turns the aircraft into single pilot operation. Even worse the captain has to watch the FO and ensure he/she does nothing wrong. Creating more of a Burdon in some cases than flying the plane by themselves. Can you say fatigue?
So by fatigue u mean reading magazines and listening to ipods? Or by fatigue do you mean letting the autopilot fly?
If the captain has to "babysit" the FO so much, then its the 1. Airlines 2. Captains fault for lettting that FO still be employed there. If he/she is so unqualified for the position...replace him/her.
There is a captain and an FO for a reason. Its a crew environment.
I for one know of an instance where a CFI went to a regional (thousands of hours and older) thinking he knew everything. He got there....he couldnt hack it in IOE...so they gave him the boot. Simple. When these low time guys start causing some MAJOR problems....then there should be change...until then....let it be
PS...i am not a low time guy
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