Whats the worst near miss you have ever had in an aircraft?
03-25-2007 | 04:51 PM
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From: Shotty!!
During my private pilot training in Ithaca, NY (KITH) i was up with my flight instructor one late afternoon just as the sun was setting behind a high cirrus deck, we were flying southwestbound and the sun was at our 2 to 3 o'clock. my instructor pullred the power out on me and i started going through my engine failure checklist. Just then I heard what I first correctly assumed was the sound of a piston engine. I quickly told myself that it was impossible to hear another airplane's engine other than my ownduring flight. Well, I looked off my left wing and saw a Mooney zooming away from us. We didn't see him since he was flying right out of the sun, but he saw us. It must have scared the sh*t out of him because he forgot to lower his landing gear on final and had to make a go around and then landed way right of centerline on a 150ft wide runway.
I only had about 40 hours total time and it kept me on the ground for a few weeks while i contemplated ever flying again, but I'm back up now working on my instrument rating as part of a college degree.
After the incident I decided to keep my eyes outside the cockpit more and if I have my own airplane someday, it's gonna have TCAS onboard.
What really ****ed me off though, was when the guy who nearly ran me over left, he pulled an unnecessarily tight bank less than 50ft off the ground and flew several hundred feet right over the airline terminal and control tower.
I only had about 40 hours total time and it kept me on the ground for a few weeks while i contemplated ever flying again, but I'm back up now working on my instrument rating as part of a college degree.
After the incident I decided to keep my eyes outside the cockpit more and if I have my own airplane someday, it's gonna have TCAS onboard.
What really ****ed me off though, was when the guy who nearly ran me over left, he pulled an unnecessarily tight bank less than 50ft off the ground and flew several hundred feet right over the airline terminal and control tower.
03-25-2007 | 08:25 PM
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And I didnt say anywhere that a near mid-air is an accident...I said it was an incident.
I must just not be understanding a near mid-air compared to a near-miss? Not sure
03-25-2007 | 08:34 PM
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From: Citation Captain
P.S. for extra credit go to section 7-6-3 of the aim and read that.
I expect a 2 page report on accidents vs incidents relating to NMAC tomorrow by 3pm THANKS!
03-26-2007 | 09:23 AM
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03-26-2007 | 11:58 AM
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From: Dreamniner
Closest I ever came to a mid-air was probably a couple hundred feet. I was up with a CFII student in a 172, in the practice area north of Daytona.
Student was under the hood just practicing a little BAI at 4,700 feet. I picked up some motion in the very upper left corner of the windscreen, and saw a Seminole pop out from behind the air vent. They were slightly above us moving left to right and descending on a collision course, and were close enough I could tell that the right engine was feathered and the student was under the hood in the Seminole.
Student was under the hood just practicing a little BAI at 4,700 feet. I picked up some motion in the very upper left corner of the windscreen, and saw a Seminole pop out from behind the air vent. They were slightly above us moving left to right and descending on a collision course, and were close enough I could tell that the right engine was feathered and the student was under the hood in the Seminole.
03-26-2007 | 12:00 PM
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I can't believe those controllers can understand them.
03-26-2007 | 02:08 PM
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I am not arguing that a NEAR MID AIR is not an incident. What you wrote is a NEAR MISS this different verbiage then NEAR MID AIR See what I am saying.
Can you produce me any written proof where the FAA or the NTSB uses the term NEAR MISS??? hmmm mysteriously I can't seem to find that.
So lets recap.... A NEAR MID AIR COLLISION is considered an incident. A NEAR MISS would be a hit, because you either miss something or you hit something. When you score some a$$, you don't say "man I nearly hit that." no you say "thats right I hit that." Do you see where I am going?
No need to be a smart@ss there man, you really should read and interpret what someone writes before hitting the send button. All I am trying to say is, that you must know what is written, lawyers wrote the FARs, and they write very specifically.
Thanks for playing
Can you produce me any written proof where the FAA or the NTSB uses the term NEAR MISS??? hmmm mysteriously I can't seem to find that.
So lets recap.... A NEAR MID AIR COLLISION is considered an incident. A NEAR MISS would be a hit, because you either miss something or you hit something. When you score some a$$, you don't say "man I nearly hit that." no you say "thats right I hit that." Do you see where I am going?
No need to be a smart@ss there man, you really should read and interpret what someone writes before hitting the send button. All I am trying to say is, that you must know what is written, lawyers wrote the FARs, and they write very specifically.
7-6-3. Near Midair Collision Reporting
a. Purpose and Data Uses. The primary purpose of the Near Midair Collision (NMAC) Reporting Program is to provide information for use in enhancing the safety and efficiency of the National Airspace System. Data obtained from NMAC reports are used by the FAA to improve the quality of FAA services to users and to develop programs, policies, and procedures aimed at the reduction of NMAC occurrences. All NMAC reports are thoroughly investigated by Flight Standards Facilities in coordination with Air Traffic Facilities. Data from these investigations are transmitted to FAA Headquarters in Washington, DC, where they are compiled and analyzed, and where safety programs and recommendations are developed.
b. Definition. A near midair collision is defined as an incident associated with the operation of an aircraft in which a possibility of collision occurs as a result of proximity of less than 500 feet to another aircraft, or a report is received from a pilot or a flight crew member stating that a collision hazard existed between two or more aircraft.
c. Reporting Responsibility. It is the responsibility of the pilot and/or flight crew to determine whether a near midair collision did actually occur and, if so, to initiate a NMAC report. Be specific, as ATC will not interpret a casual remark to mean that a NMAC is being reported. The pilot should state "I wish to report a near midair collision."
d. Where to File Reports. Pilots and/or flight crew members
a. Purpose and Data Uses. The primary purpose of the Near Midair Collision (NMAC) Reporting Program is to provide information for use in enhancing the safety and efficiency of the National Airspace System. Data obtained from NMAC reports are used by the FAA to improve the quality of FAA services to users and to develop programs, policies, and procedures aimed at the reduction of NMAC occurrences. All NMAC reports are thoroughly investigated by Flight Standards Facilities in coordination with Air Traffic Facilities. Data from these investigations are transmitted to FAA Headquarters in Washington, DC, where they are compiled and analyzed, and where safety programs and recommendations are developed.
b. Definition. A near midair collision is defined as an incident associated with the operation of an aircraft in which a possibility of collision occurs as a result of proximity of less than 500 feet to another aircraft, or a report is received from a pilot or a flight crew member stating that a collision hazard existed between two or more aircraft.
c. Reporting Responsibility. It is the responsibility of the pilot and/or flight crew to determine whether a near midair collision did actually occur and, if so, to initiate a NMAC report. Be specific, as ATC will not interpret a casual remark to mean that a NMAC is being reported. The pilot should state "I wish to report a near midair collision."
d. Where to File Reports. Pilots and/or flight crew members
03-26-2007 | 04:22 PM
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From: CRJ
I am not arguing that a NEAR MID AIR is not an incident. What you wrote is a NEAR MISS this different verbiage then NEAR MID AIR See what I am saying.
Can you produce me any written proof where the FAA or the NTSB uses the term NEAR MISS??? hmmm mysteriously I can't seem to find that.
So lets recap.... A NEAR MID AIR COLLISION is considered an incident. A NEAR MISS would be a hit, because you either miss something or you hit something. When you score some a$$, you don't say "man I nearly hit that." no you say "thats right I hit that." Do you see where I am going?
No need to be a smart@ss there man, you really should read and interpret what someone writes before hitting the send button. All I am trying to say is, that you must know what is written, lawyers wrote the FARs, and they write very specifically.
Thanks for playing
Can you produce me any written proof where the FAA or the NTSB uses the term NEAR MISS??? hmmm mysteriously I can't seem to find that.
So lets recap.... A NEAR MID AIR COLLISION is considered an incident. A NEAR MISS would be a hit, because you either miss something or you hit something. When you score some a$$, you don't say "man I nearly hit that." no you say "thats right I hit that." Do you see where I am going?
No need to be a smart@ss there man, you really should read and interpret what someone writes before hitting the send button. All I am trying to say is, that you must know what is written, lawyers wrote the FARs, and they write very specifically.
Thanks for playing
If 7-11 is open 24 hours, why do they have locks on the doors.
why does a light switch have off written on it.
why do drive up atm machines have braille on them?
come on man, watching you guys argue about this is like watching a senfield episode. its all about nothing.
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