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03-31-2007, 02:49 AM
#31
On Reserve
Joined APC: Mar 2007
Posts: 21
Originally Posted by XtremeF150
I guess in all this I have learned that there are a FEW out there that don't care what choice you make....as long as it benifits them. I can listen to everyone's sad story of how bad they had it, but that doesn't change my choices about living at home. I am the kind of person that can value sitting at home on RSV. I am the person that bids Call Me Last and is happy to receive that check for working around the house 
. I wish I could fix the industry, but unfortunately I am over-qualified as I have more actual instrument time than most new hires to the CJR have today. I don't even work for them and I am tired of ppl bad mouthing them.
. I wish I could fix the industry, but unfortunately I am over-qualified as I have more actual instrument time than most new hires to the CJR have today. I don't even work for them and I am tired of ppl bad mouthing them.You won't be sitting at home on reserve. You'll be calling in fatique because the company is running at redline. That's how NWA (Compass)runs. Talk to a few guys on reserve who bid reserve on purpose because they think they will be sitting at home.
You are right, there are few out there that don't care what choice you make as long as it benefits them. NWA Management is benefitting richly because people are willing to lower the bar instead of holding fast and demanding that they do the right thing and pay the right wages.
On another subject, the DC-9's have plenty of cycles on them. The scab mechanics are spreading the word that the reason we are having so many mechanicals is that we have old airplanes. This is simply false. As long as the DC-9's are maintained correctly by experienced mechanics, they are bullet proof. Wait the experienced mechanics got fired.
In any event, whatever career path you choose I wish you the best.
03-31-2007, 05:14 AM
#32
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2007
Position: SAABster
Posts: 639
Originally Posted by Shaner77
If you're flying a Saab and are happy with your pay, I'd like to know where you work. The only two in the contiguous US flying Saab's are Mesaba & Colgan. Working for either one, you sure aren't too far above the poverty line so don't kid yourself. To say you're doing fine sounds like you've accepted the terrible pay and workrules that so many have been forced to take in the a** these past few years.
The only "crazy talk" I'm seeing here is your sounds of contentment working at insulting pay rates. I doubt we'll ever be seeing you on a picket line, but rather, one of the first to accept flying a bigger airplane for less money than a Greyhound bus driver.
The only "crazy talk" I'm seeing here is your sounds of contentment working at insulting pay rates. I doubt we'll ever be seeing you on a picket line, but rather, one of the first to accept flying a bigger airplane for less money than a Greyhound bus driver.
Wrong...
MESABA has a fleet of SAAB's and it is a GOOD place to work. I AM far from the poverty line.
If your intent was to upset me...you didn't, however I WILL PICKET and I would take a job flying larger planes.
Go cry on your wife/grilfriends shoulder and get over yourself. Times have changed and will most likely change again.
03-31-2007, 06:09 AM
#33
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2005
Position: Lots and Lots of Days Off
Posts: 586
Originally Posted by Shaner77
Working for either one, you sure aren't too far above the poverty line so don't kid yourself.
So I took the time to research the facts for the benefit of everyone. ALPA is responsible for the "poverty line" comparisons. It simply is not true.
When you look at Federal Register Vol. 72 No.15 dated January 24, 2007 (pages 3147-3148) you will find that the 2007 Federal poverty level for a household of 1 is: $10,210 in the lower 48. For a family of 2 it is: $13,690.
The average line in MEM on the Saab at Mesaba credits 89.04 hours with 270.50 hours away from base. At starting F/O pay of $22.81, that equates to:
$2031.00/month flight pay
$419.28/month per-diem
Per Diem is reimbursement for expenses, so when we are talking about poverty, it must be included since you are using it to buy food, dry cleaning, movies, etc.
So we have $2450.28/month or $29,403.36 per year
Even using fuzzy math, that is 288% of the poverty line for 1 or 215% of the poverty line for two.
Okay, even worst case (reserve in base and don't fly) 75 hour guarantee. no per-diem, puts you at $20,529 per year. That is still well above "poverty."
I am not arguing that it is enough, or fair, or a "decent living" but it is certainly not poverty wages.
Incidentally, federal minimum wage is $10,712 per year.
03-31-2007, 06:43 AM
#34
The NeverEnding Story
Joined APC: Sep 2005
Posts: 7,512
Originally Posted by RJ85FO
The average line in MEM on the Saab at Mesaba credits 89.04 hours with 270.50 hours away from base.
03-31-2007, 12:50 PM
#36
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,425
Originally Posted by BoilerUP
Don't mean to jack your thread, but I wish AWAC's parings and lines were that efficient...
No kidding, I just did the math. 270 hrs/24 = 11 days 6 hours "on the road". That's 18+ days off in a month, and about 7:54 mins of block EACH DAY. Damn, ya'll need to talk to our schedulers.
03-31-2007, 01:23 PM
#37
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2007
Position: SAABster
Posts: 639
Originally Posted by machaf
REALLY? WOW. I think you confused 'was' and 'is'. Well I hope thats the case anyway.
03-31-2007, 01:33 PM
#38
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2005
Position: Lots and Lots of Days Off
Posts: 586
Originally Posted by fosters
No kidding, I just did the math. 270 hrs/24 = 11 days 6 hours "on the road". That's 18+ days off in a month, and about 7:54 mins of block EACH DAY. Damn, ya'll need to talk to our schedulers.
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