To flow or not to flow?
01-21-2019 | 07:15 AM
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Envoy might be best for a DFW base but just keep in mind you’d be sacrificing a ton of pay and QOL. Flow comes at a price.
All of the American WOs are becoming industry bottom. SkyWest just passed a new agreement. Their FOs, along with several other places, are making more than the WO’s captains. FO pay between the two is around a 10k-30k difference and captain pay is around 30k-50k. Not to mention, work rules are almost non existent at the WOs
All the WOs have to offer now is flow. It comes down what you’re willing to give up to have it. As an earlier poster mentioned, it’s not guaranteed. Although not likely anytime soon, if the majors stop hiring... flow will not be sticking around.
All of the American WOs are becoming industry bottom. SkyWest just passed a new agreement. Their FOs, along with several other places, are making more than the WO’s captains. FO pay between the two is around a 10k-30k difference and captain pay is around 30k-50k. Not to mention, work rules are almost non existent at the WOs
All the WOs have to offer now is flow. It comes down what you’re willing to give up to have it. As an earlier poster mentioned, it’s not guaranteed. Although not likely anytime soon, if the majors stop hiring... flow will not be sticking around.
01-21-2019 | 11:39 AM
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Envoy might be best for a DFW base but just keep in mind you’d be sacrificing a ton of pay and QOL. Flow comes at a price.
All of the American WOs are becoming industry bottom. SkyWest just passed a new agreement. Their FOs, along with several other places, are making more than the WO’s captains. FO pay between the two is around a 10k-30k difference and captain pay is around 30k-50k. Not to mention, work rules are almost non existent at the WOs
All the WOs have to offer now is flow. It comes down what you’re willing to give up to have it. As an earlier poster mentioned, it’s not guaranteed. Although not likely anytime soon, if the majors stop hiring... flow will not be sticking around.
All of the American WOs are becoming industry bottom. SkyWest just passed a new agreement. Their FOs, along with several other places, are making more than the WO’s captains. FO pay between the two is around a 10k-30k difference and captain pay is around 30k-50k. Not to mention, work rules are almost non existent at the WOs
All the WOs have to offer now is flow. It comes down what you’re willing to give up to have it. As an earlier poster mentioned, it’s not guaranteed. Although not likely anytime soon, if the majors stop hiring... flow will not be sticking around.
01-21-2019 | 02:17 PM
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Thank you everyone for the thoughtful responses! It sounds like my original idea, to avoid Envoy like the plague, is still the best. I suppose I was overthinking this a bit. From what I understand SkyWest is going to be greatly expanding their DFW base, so I’ll probably make that plan A. Really DFW is just a preference. I can go wherever but I prefer the South. I’d prefer to fly though. Don’t really want the crazy reserve I’ve heard about with Envoy, Republic and Endeavor.
01-21-2019 | 03:07 PM
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Thank you everyone for the thoughtful responses! It sounds like my original idea, to avoid Envoy like the plague, is still the best. I suppose I was overthinking this a bit. From what I understand SkyWest is going to be greatly expanding their DFW base, so I’ll probably make that plan A. Really DFW is just a preference. I can go wherever but I prefer the South. I’d prefer to fly though. Don’t really want the crazy reserve I’ve heard about with Envoy, Republic and Endeavor.
01-22-2019 | 06:22 AM
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They should do that, or at least require X amount of TPIC from some previous source.
01-24-2019 | 06:55 AM
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At Envoy, one of the stipulations put in place at the time flow began was to have been PIC for a minimum of two years before you could flow (assuming all other criteria were met). So it’s always been around at Envoy. Is this new to the other wholly owned?
01-24-2019 | 07:19 AM
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Just started with PSA.
01-26-2019 | 04:02 AM
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Don’t come to envoy. We are officially bottom tier now and managment is getting more and more contentious. Things are going to get worse here before they get better. Plus, flow for new hires is nearing a decade. You could clean your record and get a college degree in that time.
Go someplace with better pay, better qol and better managment who think of you at least a couple notches up from scum.
Go someplace with better pay, better qol and better managment who think of you at least a couple notches up from scum.
01-26-2019 | 04:13 AM
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That’s not part of the flow agreement with PDT currently. There has been talk of moving to that though.
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