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01-26-2019 | 06:53 AM

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Cyio

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Originally Posted by GraceMonth

At Envoy, one of the stipulations put in place at the time flow began was to have been PIC for a minimum of two years before you could flow (assuming all other criteria were met). So it’s always been around at Envoy. Is this new to the other wholly owned?

This is incorrect at least as of now. Simply need to be a captain for 1 year and that only applies to captains after January 1st of this year.

01-27-2019 | 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Cyio

This is incorrect at least as of now. Simply need to be a captain for 1 year and that only applies to captains after January 1st of this year.

That’s an improvement at least.

01-27-2019 | 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Cyio

This is incorrect at least as of now. Simply need to be a captain for 1 year and that only applies to captains after January 1st of this year.

Unless displaced to CA in case the 1 year flow lock doesn’t apply.

01-27-2019 | 05:14 AM

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Unless your a direct entry captain, avoid the AA WO’s

01-27-2019 | 07:01 AM

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Unless your a direct entry captain, avoid the AA WO’s

Opposite advice for Envoy.

01-27-2019 | 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TransWorld

With DFW as your goal, go with Envoy. The flow is a guaranteed (unless you screw up something bad).

As soon as you have a minimum number of hours, start applying to AA. In 2017, they hired 9% Civilian Off The Street. As their hiring increased in 2018, they hired 21% Civ OTS. Some of these were from the WOs, some from others. (24% direct Mil OTS and 55% Flows from Wholly Owned.)

if im not mistaken that 21%civ ots inclueds pilots who were in the military that flew a civ gig before going to AA. the numbers posted in another threaad were out of 990ish new hires in 2018 about 50 were non mil non WO.

02-01-2019 | 06:01 AM

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AvrgPilot

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Don't count out Endeavor, leading pay and arguably best QOL. Reserve time for me (new FO) is only three months since I finished training. DTW is a junior base for us as well, wouldn't be hard to hold a line there within a year. Good luck!

02-01-2019 | 07:14 AM

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Look at the horrible pay and work rules with no end or new contract in sight. Is that worth flow to you? I don't know why it would unless you don't have a degree.

02-01-2019 | 06:43 PM

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Hop on the 10-year flow train to the land of mergers that leads to a world where no flow/WO will exist anymore well before that 10-year date.

If you choose to take the bait I would highly recommend expanding your resume/clearing any skeletons out and tossing in an app at any of the big 3 once you have the mins, wouldn’t bank on the flow like others choose to. No telling what will happen 1 year out in the regional world.