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02-08-2019, 10:50 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by watch
If you don’t like it, why don’t you work for main line instead?
Questions for you sir. Are you even flying P121 yet? Prior military? If so you have a lot to learn about the airline business. It’s a totally different world then military flying. This isn’t a bash/ or mil/civ flying background deal.
I am sure you are familiar with these sayings. Stay in your lane and shut up and color. I heard them a lot myself.
02-08-2019, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by watch
If you don’t like it, why don’t you work for main line instead?
Sounds like the 60 yr old mainline captain not understanding why people “choose” to work for regionals. I was asked this question by three separate mainline guys. Sir, I “chose” to work here so you can collect that 6 figure salary....
Then, the more in-tune with reality mainline guys will tell ya it’s just a “stepping-stone.” If that we’re the case, we would see a lot of consistency. But, we have 3-4 yr RJ FO’s going to legacies, military guys with zero 121, 10 yr RJ CA’s, etc.... that’s not consistent, it’s not a stepping stone, it’s luck of the draw.
Can’t put all the blame on the big executives for this model though, we can thank ALPA as well.
I love my job, but this industry is hilarious at times.
02-08-2019, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by stabapch
HA you ain’t serious.
Sounds like the 60 yr old mainline captain not understanding why people “choose” to work for regionals. I was asked this question by three separate mainline guys. Sir, I “chose” to work here so you can collect that 6 figure salary....
Then, the more in-tune with reality mainline guys will tell ya it’s just a “stepping-stone.” If that we’re the case, we would see a lot of consistency. But, we have 3-4 yr RJ FO’s going to legacies, military guys with zero 121, 10 yr RJ CA’s, etc.... that’s not consistent, it’s not a stepping stone, it’s luck of the draw.
Can’t put all the blame on the big executives for this model though, we can thank ALPA as well.
I love my job, but this industry is hilarious at times.
Sounds like the 60 yr old mainline captain not understanding why people “choose” to work for regionals. I was asked this question by three separate mainline guys. Sir, I “chose” to work here so you can collect that 6 figure salary....
Then, the more in-tune with reality mainline guys will tell ya it’s just a “stepping-stone.” If that we’re the case, we would see a lot of consistency. But, we have 3-4 yr RJ FO’s going to legacies, military guys with zero 121, 10 yr RJ CA’s, etc.... that’s not consistent, it’s not a stepping stone, it’s luck of the draw.
Can’t put all the blame on the big executives for this model though, we can thank ALPA as well.
I love my job, but this industry is hilarious at times.
02-08-2019, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by flynd94
Questions for you sir. Are you even flying P121 yet? Prior military? If so you have a lot to learn about the airline business. It’s a totally different world then military flying. This isn’t a bash/ or mil/civ flying background deal.
I am sure you are familiar with these sayings. Stay in your lane and shut up and color. I heard them a lot myself.
I am sure you are familiar with these sayings. Stay in your lane and shut up and color. I heard them a lot myself.
No, they’re expecting you to do the job you voluntarily signed up for. If you don’t like it, find something else.
Military guys are just “lucky” right? It’s not fair. Well, go spend 10-20 years in the military yourself and then say that. I don’t see a lot of the guys who complain about pay volunteering for high paying contracting jobs flying a king air for 6 months in Afghanistan either. Winners make their own luck. Losers complain and blame.
Last edited by watch; 02-08-2019 at 01:02 PM.
02-08-2019, 01:05 PM
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He’s saying “they expect us to be happy at 1/3 the pay”
No, they’re expecting you to do the job you voluntarily signed up for. If you don’t like it, find something else.
Military guys are just “lucky” right? It’s not fair. Well, go spend 10-20 years in the military yourself and then say that. I don’t see a lot of the guys who complain about pay volunteering for high paying contracting jobs flying a king air for 6 months in Afghanistan either.
“I can’t do that because...”. Ok- well, what are you expecting, a handout?
No, they’re expecting you to do the job you voluntarily signed up for. If you don’t like it, find something else.
Military guys are just “lucky” right? It’s not fair. Well, go spend 10-20 years in the military yourself and then say that. I don’t see a lot of the guys who complain about pay volunteering for high paying contracting jobs flying a king air for 6 months in Afghanistan either.
“I can’t do that because...”. Ok- well, what are you expecting, a handout?
02-08-2019, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by watch
How would you know?
And while rudder and stick skills are fine, I know plenty of military pilots who have been fired for attitudes, violated for not paying attention and get themselves so mentally jacked up at an airport with more than one runway that they actually quit doing radios.
02-08-2019, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ChecklistMonkey
A yes. A new internet tough guy. Thinks that just anyone can "volunteer to fly for the military." You're a clown.
And while rudder and stick skills are fine, I know plenty of military pilots who have been fired for attitudes, violated for not paying attention and get themselves so mentally jacked up at an airport with more than one runway that they actually quit doing radios.
And while rudder and stick skills are fine, I know plenty of military pilots who have been fired for attitudes, violated for not paying attention and get themselves so mentally jacked up at an airport with more than one runway that they actually quit doing radios.
02-08-2019, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ChecklistMonkey
A yes. A new internet tough guy. Thinks that just anyone can "volunteer to fly for the military." You're a clown.
And while rudder and stick skills are fine, I know plenty of military pilots who have been fired for attitudes, violated for not paying attention and get themselves so mentally jacked up at an airport with more than one runway that they actually quit doing radios.
And while rudder and stick skills are fine, I know plenty of military pilots who have been fired for attitudes, violated for not paying attention and get themselves so mentally jacked up at an airport with more than one runway that they actually quit doing radios.
02-08-2019, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by watch
Your point being? These guys are complaining that they aren’t getting their shot and point to military pilots as an example to back up their complaint.
To me it sounds like either 1) you were denied acceptance into a military flight slot or 2) you were you a former military pilot still waiting year by year for that call from a legacy because you’re too ‘above’ regional flying. Either way, somebody hit a high string.
Judging by your responses, you definitely are clueless on how the 121 industry works though.
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