Can a regional run without long-term pilots
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While I agree that obsessing about a one degree error or 0.01 on the cross track while in cruise flight is a bit much. I literally have zero intention of antagonizing either person on either side here. But the underlying message is people who perform to the exact bare minimum and accept that as adequate.
I was in the military, and there’s an article called the “60% soldier”. Basically, soldiers are required to get 60 points on each of their three physical fitness assessment to pass. The “60% soldier” puts in the bare minimum to pass. They look at the charts and see exactly how many push-ups or sit-ups they have to do to pass instead of going all out and trying to obtain the highest possible score. The article goes on to say that the “60% soldier” will only defend your perimeter for 36 seconds of a 60 second attack. They will only hit 6 out of 10 incoming soldiers. They will only remember, or care about, 60% of their military job. What if they decide first aid is part of the 40% of knowledge they don’t need, and you get hit, and now they have to tend to you?
The point is, no one is perfect. As pilots, we should be striving for as close to perfection as we can, and we should continuously strive to improve and learn. Don’t be a 60% soldier.
I was in the military, and there’s an article called the “60% soldier”. Basically, soldiers are required to get 60 points on each of their three physical fitness assessment to pass. The “60% soldier” puts in the bare minimum to pass. They look at the charts and see exactly how many push-ups or sit-ups they have to do to pass instead of going all out and trying to obtain the highest possible score. The article goes on to say that the “60% soldier” will only defend your perimeter for 36 seconds of a 60 second attack. They will only hit 6 out of 10 incoming soldiers. They will only remember, or care about, 60% of their military job. What if they decide first aid is part of the 40% of knowledge they don’t need, and you get hit, and now they have to tend to you?
The point is, no one is perfect. As pilots, we should be striving for as close to perfection as we can, and we should continuously strive to improve and learn. Don’t be a 60% soldier.
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One of the most surprising things to me, transitioning from engineering to the airlines, is that pilots only need to be "adequate". There is no reward or recognition for holding a heading +/- one degree instead of the +/- ten degrees, for example.
The pilots who push, nonetheless, for +/- one degree are the ones I want to fly with. In my brief and junior experience, those are also the ones that attract attention from major airlines, LCA or not (mostly not).
YMMV, of course.
The pilots who push, nonetheless, for +/- one degree are the ones I want to fly with. In my brief and junior experience, those are also the ones that attract attention from major airlines, LCA or not (mostly not).
YMMV, of course.
I did notice a change from regional to legacy cockpit. Standardization and professionalism are much better. Very rarely is anyone blowing stuff off. If you're looking to move on, don't let your deviance get too normalized, they might pick up on that at the interview.
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While I agree that obsessing about a one degree error or 0.01 on the cross track while in cruise flight is a bit much. I literally have zero intention of antagonizing either person on either side here. But the underlying message is people who perform to the exact bare minimum and accept that as adequate.
I was in the military, and there’s an article called the “60% soldier”. Basically, soldiers are required to get 60 points on each of their three physical fitness assessment to pass. The “60% soldier” puts in the bare minimum to pass. They look at the charts and see exactly how many push-ups or sit-ups they have to do to pass instead of going all out and trying to obtain the highest possible score. The article goes on to say that the “60% soldier” will only defend your perimeter for 36 seconds of a 60 second attack. They will only hit 6 out of 10 incoming soldiers. They will only remember, or care about, 60% of their military job. What if they decide first aid is part of the 40% of knowledge they don’t need, and you get hit, and now they have to tend to you?
The point is, no one is perfect. As pilots, we should be striving for as close to perfection as we can, and we should continuously strive to improve and learn. Don’t be a 60% soldier.
I was in the military, and there’s an article called the “60% soldier”. Basically, soldiers are required to get 60 points on each of their three physical fitness assessment to pass. The “60% soldier” puts in the bare minimum to pass. They look at the charts and see exactly how many push-ups or sit-ups they have to do to pass instead of going all out and trying to obtain the highest possible score. The article goes on to say that the “60% soldier” will only defend your perimeter for 36 seconds of a 60 second attack. They will only hit 6 out of 10 incoming soldiers. They will only remember, or care about, 60% of their military job. What if they decide first aid is part of the 40% of knowledge they don’t need, and you get hit, and now they have to tend to you?
The point is, no one is perfect. As pilots, we should be striving for as close to perfection as we can, and we should continuously strive to improve and learn. Don’t be a 60% soldier.
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Well at least at PSA the absolute most Senior FO you'll fly with as a Captain will be right about 2 years. That's about the maximum time you can avoid the forced Senior Upgrade.
So the times of having an experienced FO in the right seat to catch a new Captains mistakes are well and truly over.
I've been on property for 3 years and that puts me in the top third of the company which is nuts when you think about it. I make sure to tell all my FO's to absolutely speak up and we'll help keep each other out of trouble. I know other new Captains though who like to lord their four bars over the new guys, and they convince these FO's to just sit there and shut up.
So the times of having an experienced FO in the right seat to catch a new Captains mistakes are well and truly over.
I've been on property for 3 years and that puts me in the top third of the company which is nuts when you think about it. I make sure to tell all my FO's to absolutely speak up and we'll help keep each other out of trouble. I know other new Captains though who like to lord their four bars over the new guys, and they convince these FO's to just sit there and shut up.
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Then again, when I was in the military we had idiots who would promote based on PT scores instead of job performance. Then they wonder why so many commanders are getting fired. "I am so shocked this PT stud fraternizes or runs an abusive unit!" But hey, at least they look crisp in a uniform.
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I am not talking about promoting fat slobs, I am talking about differentiating between people who already passed the requirements for their PT tests. Time to rethink that strategy.
The above poster mentioned a study that states PT scores is what differentiated good leaders from bad. The military tried that for a while in the 00s and early to mid 10s, guess what? It is not working out too well. More commanders are being fired then ever, moral is lowest then it has been in decades, and people are leaving in droves.
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