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Old 02-19-2019 | 09:52 PM
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Sigh. Sorry. Didn't realize I was dealing with Capt. Literal.
You are giving ME grief about an erroneous example that YOU chose? Sorry. I didn't realize I was dealing with Captain Fragile Ego.

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Old 02-20-2019 | 03:47 AM
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While I agree that obsessing about a one degree error or 0.01 on the cross track while in cruise flight is a bit much. I literally have zero intention of antagonizing either person on either side here. But the underlying message is people who perform to the exact bare minimum and accept that as adequate.

I was in the military, and there’s an article called the “60% soldier”. Basically, soldiers are required to get 60 points on each of their three physical fitness assessment to pass. The “60% soldier” puts in the bare minimum to pass. They look at the charts and see exactly how many push-ups or sit-ups they have to do to pass instead of going all out and trying to obtain the highest possible score. The article goes on to say that the “60% soldier” will only defend your perimeter for 36 seconds of a 60 second attack. They will only hit 6 out of 10 incoming soldiers. They will only remember, or care about, 60% of their military job. What if they decide first aid is part of the 40% of knowledge they don’t need, and you get hit, and now they have to tend to you?

The point is, no one is perfect. As pilots, we should be striving for as close to perfection as we can, and we should continuously strive to improve and learn. Don’t be a 60% soldier.
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Old 02-20-2019 | 07:18 AM
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So you're saying I need more pieces of flair?
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Old 02-20-2019 | 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by bradthepilot
One of the most surprising things to me, transitioning from engineering to the airlines, is that pilots only need to be "adequate". There is no reward or recognition for holding a heading +/- one degree instead of the +/- ten degrees, for example.

The pilots who push, nonetheless, for +/- one degree are the ones I want to fly with. In my brief and junior experience, those are also the ones that attract attention from major airlines, LCA or not (mostly not).

YMMV, of course.
Yes, that's what the majors are looking for. Either because it's a cultural fit for their operation, or because they believe (possibly backed by stats) that that type of pilot is safer.

I did notice a change from regional to legacy cockpit. Standardization and professionalism are much better. Very rarely is anyone blowing stuff off. If you're looking to move on, don't let your deviance get too normalized, they might pick up on that at the interview.
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Old 02-20-2019 | 08:41 AM
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I’d rather have an average pilot flying than an average engineer designing...just saying.
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Old 02-20-2019 | 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by DiveAndDrive
While I agree that obsessing about a one degree error or 0.01 on the cross track while in cruise flight is a bit much. I literally have zero intention of antagonizing either person on either side here. But the underlying message is people who perform to the exact bare minimum and accept that as adequate.

I was in the military, and there’s an article called the “60% soldier”. Basically, soldiers are required to get 60 points on each of their three physical fitness assessment to pass. The “60% soldier” puts in the bare minimum to pass. They look at the charts and see exactly how many push-ups or sit-ups they have to do to pass instead of going all out and trying to obtain the highest possible score. The article goes on to say that the “60% soldier” will only defend your perimeter for 36 seconds of a 60 second attack. They will only hit 6 out of 10 incoming soldiers. They will only remember, or care about, 60% of their military job. What if they decide first aid is part of the 40% of knowledge they don’t need, and you get hit, and now they have to tend to you?

The point is, no one is perfect. As pilots, we should be striving for as close to perfection as we can, and we should continuously strive to improve and learn. Don’t be a 60% soldier.
I concure 100%. As a Marine we had the same types of folks in the unit...those who exercised the bare minimum to get by and fly under the radar. I’d rather fly with the guy who has OCD than the guy who throws up his arms and says, “It’s good enough for government work!” Those are the folks that slip through the cracks and fly on the edge of their knowledge, skills, and abilities. They probably should find a different profession, or helped along to a different profession.
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Old 02-21-2019 | 04:50 AM
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Well at least at PSA the absolute most Senior FO you'll fly with as a Captain will be right about 2 years. That's about the maximum time you can avoid the forced Senior Upgrade.

So the times of having an experienced FO in the right seat to catch a new Captains mistakes are well and truly over.

I've been on property for 3 years and that puts me in the top third of the company which is nuts when you think about it. I make sure to tell all my FO's to absolutely speak up and we'll help keep each other out of trouble. I know other new Captains though who like to lord their four bars over the new guys, and they convince these FO's to just sit there and shut up.
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Old 02-21-2019 | 06:47 AM
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Then again, when I was in the military we had idiots who would promote based on PT scores instead of job performance. Then they wonder why so many commanders are getting fired. "I am so shocked this PT stud fraternizes or runs an abusive unit!" But hey, at least they look crisp in a uniform.
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Old 02-21-2019 | 09:55 AM
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But hey, at least they look crisp in a uniform.

That's kind of a hard requirement for a commander or leader, setting the example and all that.

If you want to be rumpled and unfit, military is the wrong line of work. Sorry.
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Old 02-21-2019 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
That's kind of a hard requirement for a commander or leader, setting the example and all that.

If you want to be rumpled and unfit, military is the wrong line of work. Sorry.
Sure it is. Need that chiseled face right? Something that will scare the Ruskies? lol

I am not talking about promoting fat slobs, I am talking about differentiating between people who already passed the requirements for their PT tests. Time to rethink that strategy.



The above poster mentioned a study that states PT scores is what differentiated good leaders from bad. The military tried that for a while in the 00s and early to mid 10s, guess what? It is not working out too well. More commanders are being fired then ever, moral is lowest then it has been in decades, and people are leaving in droves.
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