Mesa is the one that only got paid actual block back in the day. No block, no pay, so you would eat any cancellations.

Some of the union regional guys like to "transfer" that cool story over to non-union SKW.

And yet people still flock to the AA wholly owneds for the flow...

:rolleyes:

According to OO’s performance statistics compared to the other operators that thrive in that area.

According to DL making a statement about OO lagging behind. Or maybe the rumor that originated from DL management indicating OO might be getting the boot back to the west.

Go where you won’t mind being stuck for 5-10 years. Not everyone makes it out and with a recession looming, you had better be happy where you end up.

Well that makes sense if you have black marks, can't get a degree in a reasonable timeframe or are just lazy. Reasonable risk given all the retirements. Given today's circumstances, I would have done it in a heartbeat if they had a base where I wanted to live (I'm lazy if my QOL is good).

The last I read the flow at the AA wo’s is 8-10 years and increasing. I wouldn’t want to take that risk given the current volatile regional industry and at the same time not be happy with a miserable QOL. There’s other options if you feel you can’t make it to mainline directly from a regional due to your background.

That being said my personal opinion will always be take the regional where you can live in base above EVERYTHING else.

Maybe you shouldn't believe everything you read in APC.
Let's just ignore the flow (which, by the way, is more like 6-7 years realistically), and look at other stats.

Envoy has no training delays and you'll upgrade as soon as you hit your 1000 hours 121. So you'll start building that 121 TPIC time a year or two sooner than at many other regionals, which gives you a head start to apply elsewhere outside the flow.
The flow also guarantees movement at the top of the list, so stagnation is not an issue here.
Yeah, the CA pay sucks (FO pay is not an issue, you make around the same as elsewhere until you upgrade. No 5 year FOs here). But QOL is great if you live in base.

Coming from pilots at 2 out 3 of the aa wo’s, they’re saying it’s 8-10 years increasing.

YX and OO currently both have 2 year and under upgrades. It’s already been discussed by previous posts there is no way you’ll ever reach 1000 TPIC in a year starting off dry...

Outside of specific base selection a wo doesn’t offer anything to compete with the top tier guys. However, what they do is keep the market low, preventing other pilot groups from getting more from their company.

Let’s keep in mind also that once that recession hits, history proves the wo’s are the first to go.

PDT/PSA flow is slower, that's true. Envoy has a good program going on. PDT/PSA will get better, everyone knows that, except the forum negative nancies who think they can run an airline better than their management can.

Your history lesson does not apply to AA. American Eagle has been going on for a very long time. I would be much more concerned if I was at Endeavor or Republic, when a recession hits.

"doesn't offer anything", the flow is pretty darn valuable for a lot of people. I turned down CJOs from Republic and Endeavor to go to Envoy, because their value proposition was the best for me. No regional contract is worth commuting for. And to hold CA within a reasonable commute for me would take years and years at those places. I dodged a huge bullet with them - The people who started indoc the same time I started mine aren't even in sims yet, and I'm almost consolidated. I'm months ahead already.

YX upgrades are sub-2 years only for very uncommutable bases. How long is it to hold YX CA at ORD, or IAH? 7-8 years?

One can always pick out 2 of the smallest and most senior bases a regional has to make the upgrade time sound bad. There are definitely some commutable junior bases where you can hold CA in ~2 years.