Originally Posted by stabapch (Post 2770864)

Let’s keep in mind also that once that recession hits, history proves the wo’s are the first to go.

Originally Posted by dera (Post 2770868)

Your history lesson does not apply to AA. American Eagle has been going on for a very long time. I would be much more concerned if I was at Endeavor or Republic, when a recession hits.

Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2770879)

Historical fact... AA had flow in the past and it went away real fast at one point.

Also WO's serve as capacity accumulators because the parent can downsize flying as needed. To do that at an independent regional they need to pay huge penalties to get out of contracts early, or find an excuse to fire them (the later has happened a few times).

WO's have also been shut down and liquidated for simple convenience (not AA). When you say "American Eagle" that has quite a different meaning today than when I started in the industry. Today's it's a brand. Back then it was an airline with a near-monopoly on AA feed, which could have been sold off at one point. Envoy is lucky to still be WO.

Something to consider in your decision making.

Originally Posted by TheWeatherman (Post 2770640)

With the IROPS, strong winds, and deicing I overblocked ~6 hours already this month. It is not just some insignificant outlier, it does add up over the year to a significant chunk of change.

Originally Posted by UnderCenter (Post 2770725)

Yea, but we aren’t the only one who does it this way. That’s also a different discussion to have. I was more pointing out the inaccuracy of his post. He actually thinks that we only get paid block/historical credit which is not true at all. He actually thought that if we blocked 3 hours on a flight due to deice, flow etc that was only scheduled at 1:45 we only get paid 1:45, which is absolutely false.

Originally Posted by Broncofan (Post 2770917)

I think I misunderstand what your trying to say.. if you go over block at Skywest you still get paid for it.

Originally Posted by dera (Post 2770868)

PDT/PSA flow is slower, that's true. Envoy has a good program going on. PDT/PSA will get better, everyone knows that, except the forum negative nancies who think they can run an airline better than their management can.

Your history lesson does not apply to AA. American Eagle has been going on for a very long time. I would be much more concerned if I was at Endeavor or Republic, when a recession hits.

"doesn't offer anything", the flow is pretty darn valuable for a lot of people. I turned down CJOs from Republic and Endeavor to go to Envoy, because their value proposition was the best for me. No regional contract is worth commuting for. And to hold CA within a reasonable commute for me would take years and years at those places. I dodged a huge bullet with them - The people who started indoc the same time I started mine aren't even in sims yet, and I'm almost consolidated. I'm months ahead already.

YX upgrades are sub-2 years only for very uncommutable bases. How long is it to hold YX CA at ORD, or IAH? 7-8 years?

Originally Posted by dera (Post 2770942)

So just to understand, if you go under block, you get paid less?

Originally Posted by pilotnicco (Post 2770945)

Didn't Envoy's management just ask for concessions from your pilot group? As long as they have a flow, they will never have the same QOL as YX or OO. That's the trade off you make when you chase the carrot.

Originally Posted by dera (Post 2770966)

My QOL is great here. Beats flying 15 minute hops in a 200.

Originally Posted by UnderCenter (Post 2770976)

Who is flying 15 min hops in a 200? Been at OO less than a year, only 2 months reserve, now a line holder. In a base with no 200s. Credit 85-95 hours a month. Have you seen the Envoy 145 flying out of DFW? Must be fun flying 15 min hops to Tyler, Waco, Texarkana, and Shepard every day.