New Born
05-04-2019, 08:23 AM
#21
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Joined APC: Dec 2018
Posts: 648
Originally Posted by LNL76
You don't "raise" a newborn. You feed it, change its diapers and hope it sleeps well!
05-04-2019, 08:54 AM
#22
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 11,553
Originally Posted by ChecklistMonkey
Right, but to say you're more under feet than help is ignorant. I think it's important to be around for your wife and the kid. It would be nice if fathers got some paid time off to be there.
Get a life.
05-04-2019, 09:32 AM
#23
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Posts: 648
Originally Posted by Excargodog
So my wife isn’t allowed to make a joke AT ME without you calling her ignorant? If I’m not offended, why should you be? Worse yet, what gives you status to call her ignorant?
Get a life.
Get a life.
05-04-2019, 09:41 AM
#24
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 11,553
Originally Posted by ChecklistMonkey
Take a breath snowflake. I just said that claiming that men just get in the way is ignorant and it's counterproductive. Whether or not you get in the way isn't my business.
05-04-2019, 09:49 AM
#25
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 1,950
Originally Posted by Excargodog
Women are “ignorant and counterproductive” when they joke with their husbands because ChecklistMonkey says so. That your claim?
05-04-2019, 10:17 AM
#27
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Joined APC: Dec 2006
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 2,370
Originally Posted by Dragon Jet
Well that’s a good option and advise which I agree and want to do
but I experienced in the past with different situations I tried push the class date a few months back and was no problem they all said ok give us a call back so we can put you in other near future classes and no worries , waooo cool right ?
But when I called later no one even acknowledged or wanted to listen to me like I am the looser and the bad guy (aviation class dates so you snooze you loose) in their mind,you should been in class when it was offered so you didn’t take it and now no more class for you
As y’all know every few decades is like that big hiring wave comes and if you jump and get on it you’re made it,if not when the hiring waves passes you and doors are closed then doesn’t matter if you have heavy/wide body 121 pic or space shuttle Type Rating with pic time ,the game will be over .
That’s why My friends telling me if at least I finish IOE and be current in Type they are smarter then that to let you go and not work with someone after spending time and money for that pilot .
Or I just wait another year to see what happens which already by then I could have been upgraded .
Thank you for all responses
but I experienced in the past with different situations I tried push the class date a few months back and was no problem they all said ok give us a call back so we can put you in other near future classes and no worries , waooo cool right ?
But when I called later no one even acknowledged or wanted to listen to me like I am the looser and the bad guy (aviation class dates so you snooze you loose) in their mind,you should been in class when it was offered so you didn’t take it and now no more class for you
As y’all know every few decades is like that big hiring wave comes and if you jump and get on it you’re made it,if not when the hiring waves passes you and doors are closed then doesn’t matter if you have heavy/wide body 121 pic or space shuttle Type Rating with pic time ,the game will be over .
That’s why My friends telling me if at least I finish IOE and be current in Type they are smarter then that to let you go and not work with someone after spending time and money for that pilot .
Or I just wait another year to see what happens which already by then I could have been upgraded .
Thank you for all responses
Your only realistic options are to either defer class (short times work, but the timeline you are talking about really does mean reapplying again) or accept whatever time off they give you (as stated elsewhere, they may still give you some additional time off, but it wont be what you are saying you want). Starting and then demanding you be allowed off after IOE contrary to company policy or (as applicable) union contract will just result in your services no longer being required and a difficult question at every airline interview for the rest of your career.
05-04-2019, 01:47 PM
#29
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Joined APC: Dec 2014
Posts: 46
Originally Posted by Dragon Jet
No I have not started yet , only got a class date and in 3 month will be done IOE and month later is the birth of my son 
I know best to not star and wait maybe 3 years , but that will be another 3 years not flying and not be current in aviation .
Thank you
I know best to not star and wait maybe 3 years , but that will be another 3 years not flying and not be current in aviation .
Thank you
If I would've done training first then the baby delivery it would've been a disaster. I think you'll put your 121 career and family at risk, in exchange for a few months' seniority.
An airline training schedule is a best case scenario only, delays are almost assured. You may have to wait for sims, extra sim sessions, insteuctor or check airman calls in sick, wait for IOE or more IOE time needed.
Planning to complete training and IOE exaxtly as scheduled leaves no room for realistic setbacks. Training is never completed early, it is easily and often delayed.
Also, our baby arrived 2 weeks early. Will yours be early, potentially during IOE or sims?
Do you want to go to systems, sims and your checkride while your wife goes through the 3rd trimester alone?
A friend of mine in his first year at a regional was given 2 weeks unpaid leave for childbirth. I wouldn't expect 6 or 12 months to be granted, even if it was given you would have currency issues.
There's an awkward conversation coming between you and the airline. Tell them now and make plans to assure support for your wife and son. Take as much unpaid (unemployed) time as you want. Push back the training date then your fam can support you in training.
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