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60av8tor 06-14-2019 01:30 AM


Originally Posted by word302 (Post 2836067)
It's a gimmick to keep your wages suppressed, nothing more.

While I agree a flow isn’t the end all be all, and current new hires will not get the benefit of several years ago, this sentiment isn’t 100% accurate. There are guys at PSA making pretty decent coin who will flow at 5ish years. Pretty nice if you ask me - a little more than wage suppression. Lots of guys with lots of experience not getting the call.

Thedude86 06-14-2019 06:44 AM


Originally Posted by 60av8tor (Post 2836466)
While I agree a flow isn’t the end all be all, and current new hires will not get the benefit of several years ago, this sentiment isn’t 100% accurate. There are guys at PSA making pretty decent coin who will flow at 5ish years. Pretty nice if you ask me - a little more than wage suppression. Lots of guys with lots of experience not getting the call.

The AA wholly owneds are mostly the last ones to the party with the recent pay raises amongst the regionals over the last year or two.

Also, our soft pay rules suck. Even though our pay rates at PSA are similar to Republic and Endeavor... they’re still making 25-50% more than PSA pilots. The day the AA wholly owneds earn the same as the other top players is the day the flow ceases to exist. The only point of the flow is to keep costs low.

No Land 3 06-17-2019 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by PhantomHawk (Post 2834529)
Met Yeager when I was a kid. Even at 8 years old, I could tell he was a bit of an a$$. That opinion was shared by every adult male who had invited him to be at Miramar’s Air Show that year.

Heard exactly the same thing of the Hudson guy.

rickair7777 06-17-2019 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2838301)
Heard exactly the same thing of the Hudson guy.

He's OK. He did annoy some regional pilots with some comments about the industry. Probably more a reflection of his military aviation career path.

Xjrstreetcar 06-17-2019 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by PontiusPilot (Post 2833796)
So... anecdotal and not actually supported by anything.

"Similarly, in their book, “Academically Adrift: Limited Learning on College Campuses,” Richard Arum and Josipa Roksa studied twenty-four hundred college students at twenty-four different universities over a four-year period2. They reported that critical thinking and other skills such as writing were no longer progressing during college as compared to previous generations of students."

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-intuitive-parent/201703/the-emerging-crisis-in-critical-thinking

ItnStln 06-20-2019 01:10 PM


Originally Posted by Xjrstreetcar (Post 2838408)
"Similarly, in their book, “Academically Adrift: Limited Learning on College Campuses,” Richard Arum and Josipa Roksa studied twenty-four hundred college students at twenty-four different universities over a four-year period2. They reported that critical thinking and other skills such as writing were no longer progressing during college as compared to previous generations of students."

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-intuitive-parent/201703/the-emerging-crisis-in-critical-thinking

That’s not surprising.

Macjet 06-20-2019 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by SSlow (Post 2824924)
Agreed. Plus it keeps their contracted labor source somewhat adequately staffed in the meantime to fuel profits and keep investors happy. What is really going to suck for these poor folks is when the retirement flood gates open and the strong economy is still humming along. At that point AA will either have to A) flow everyone (spoiler alert: that will never happen), or B) merge with one of the smaller LCC/ULCC airlines - the more likely scenario for a multitude of reasons.

At that point the "flow thru" will be more like a "stay put in your RJ for another five years" and all of the 90s babies will be p*ssed because for the first time in their careers things won't be all rainbows and butterflies.

How does merging with an LCC/ULCC address staffing issues due to retirements? If you can't staff 600 airplanes then how is bringing over pilots and airplanes who are already flying other airplanes going to staff your existing 600? You're just moving shells at that point.

FmrPropCapt 06-29-2019 04:01 PM

Unfortunately AA agreed at least with PDT in the agreement they aren't required soooo not gonna change. Sorry bro.

cfimechanic 07-02-2019 07:21 AM

I agree, without collage how would we have gotten fine airmen like Chuck Yeager, Bob Hoover, Wright Brothers, and Eddie Rickenbacker....................................

The idea that Collage is the only place to get an education is a very obtuse mentality. Rickenbacker never even made it to highschool.

rld1k 07-02-2019 07:24 AM

The collage haters don't spell so gud tho


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