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Old 05-25-2019 | 02:00 PM
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Thanks everyone for respond. They are not answering my questions but have to say thank you anyway.
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Old 05-25-2019 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
So he does not have a greencard? How is he allowed to fly for a US company, a work visa?

He obviously cannot fly international without a passport.

Whether he can remain employed depends on right-to-work status, ie needs greencard, special work visa, or citizenship. I'm not sure if a work visa would be valid with an expired passport, kind of doubt it.

Probably need to talk to an immigration lawyer. I'm guessing that an airline or 135 operation will not be able to employ someone with no legal status. Don't know if an asylum application allows one to work, kind of doubt it. They also have to satisfy TSA requirements due to the post-9/11 security climate.

Sounds like you don't want to ask the company... but I would NOT continue to fly in the US without proper legal status, and you need legal advice on that. You can get away with mowing lawns without a greencard but again the security concerns here about foriegn pilots could probably get you jailed and deported if you fly without having all the legal requirements met... especially an airliner.

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There is work authorization and legal status. If there will be at least one violation in migration status I won't be in the company simply because non citizen need TSA approval for every recurrent training or certificate.

Yes, before bringing it up to company I wanted to find answer here, because I'm not the one in this situation. There are pilots with the same situation as me that will simply go to embassy of their country and update passport to make life easy and then once the time will come to change status from asylum to permanent resident in the court will got themselves into big troubles.

After I'll find the answer I will talk to company cause it's inevitable, but I want to be prepared.
And because there are other pilots at the same situation as me working in my company and other companies, so if I'll know right solution I can write it down, so other pilots (on asylum or DUI, etc.) can have the answer and don't do a mistake.
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Old 05-25-2019 | 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by externalpilot
GUYS STOP CREATING YOUR OWN STORY

Of course there is work authorization.
How can pilot get approval from AFSP for type rating and ATP CTP course without it?

Simple question: will company let the pilot continue to work with expired international passport or not.
I answered your question - No universal rule. Talk to your company. Just like others told you their airline does it, my airline does that. People may be in your situation or similar, but it all comes down to your specific airline. Speaking for my airline - You get 30 days to renew your passport. Closely to your 30 days you get an email from admin asking you about the status of your passport. If you don’t have it within 30 days you’ll get call in to the chief’s office.
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Old 05-25-2019 | 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by externalpilot
GUYS STOP CREATING YOUR OWN STORY

Of course there is work authorization.
How can pilot get approval from AFSP for type rating and ATP CTP course without it?

Simple question: will company let the pilot continue to work with expired international passport or not.
You don’t need work authorization to get AFSP.

By the way, if you are employed by an airline and get a DUI, you will have a hard time convincing the company to keep you. A DUI will usually result in action from the FAA which will prevent you from being able to fly for at least 6 months. I know someone who got a DUI and had their pilot certificates revoked for 3 years.
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Old 05-26-2019 | 03:37 AM
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Originally Posted by 11and11
I answered your question - No universal rule. Talk to your company. Just like others told you their airline does it, my airline does that. People may be in your situation or similar, but it all comes down to your specific airline. Speaking for my airline - You get 30 days to renew your passport. Closely to your 30 days you get an email from admin asking you about the status of your passport. If you don’t have it within 30 days you’ll get call in to the chief’s office.
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Old 05-26-2019 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by externalpilot
There is work authorization and legal status. If there will be at least one violation in migration status I won't be in the company simply because non citizen need TSA approval for every recurrent training or certificate.

Yes, before bringing it up to company I wanted to find answer here, because I'm not the one in this situation. There are pilots with the same situation as me that will simply go to embassy of their country and update passport to make life easy and then once the time will come to change status from asylum to permanent resident in the court will got themselves into big troubles.

After I'll find the answer I will talk to company cause it's inevitable, but I want to be prepared.
And because there are other pilots at the same situation as me working in my company and other companies, so if I'll know right solution I can write it down, so other pilots (on asylum or DUI, etc.) can have the answer and don't do a mistake.
I thought this was for a “friend”? Anyway best of luck to you but I don’t a company is going to want to keep a pilot that has a DUI.
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Old 05-27-2019 | 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by externalpilot
There are alot of pilots, which are not allowed to make international flights due to DUI or naturalization process in U. S.
Airlines ask about valid international passport.
If you are already in the company which hired you, knowing that they won't be able to assign you on international trip and totally fine with that.
Question: will company be fine to wave requirement of keeping valid passport for that type of pilots since they are not crossing the border?

Please don't answer " read contract or call chief pilot, union, etc."
Thank you, fellows!
The short answer is yes - a company can waive this policy and restrict you to domestic operations, if it behooves them to do so. That being said, they need a good reason to do it, it needs to make business sense, and all other factors need to be legal.
Likely what prevents the pilot from obtaining a passport is also going to affect the pilots ability to maintain DHS and TSA status for flying. It may not however, your “friend” needs to speak with the chief pilot and obtain a suitable remedy before this blows up in their face.

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Old 05-31-2019 | 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Cyio
I thought this was for a “friend”? Anyway best of luck to you but I don’t a company is going to want to keep a pilot that has a DUI.
There are plenty of companies that keep, and hire pilots who have DUIs. I have a friend who was hired by USAirways even though she had a DUI and could not do Canada trips. Many airlines have a HIMS program for pilots who have had issues with alcohol, including DUIs.

On a somewhat related note, I have a Canadian friend who recently became a naturalized U.S. citizen because he had heard of a few stories of U.S. Green Card holders being stopped at the border, being denied entry, and ultimately having their Green Cards revoked. While his naturalization was being processed, he had to inform the company that he was unable to do international trips, and there were no issues. I say it is somewhat related to the HIMS issue because he was instrumental in setting up the HIMS program at my old company. I also know some people on the European side who have had some issues getting their U.S. C1/D visa issued or renewed, and the company adjusted their schedules to avoid U.S. trips during that period.

So based on what I have seen, airlines are used to and understand the occasional passport/visa/travel restriction issues and in most cases can work around them for at least a period of time.
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Old 05-31-2019 | 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by NEDude
So based on what I have seen, airlines are used to and understand the occasional passport/visa/travel restriction issues and in most cases can work around them for at least a period of time.
This is true... for those on property.

In most cases it will be much, much harder to get hired with a known circumstance which prevents international travel. Could happen, say a desperate regional needs pilots badly. There are a few I think which are still domestic only.
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Old 05-31-2019 | 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by NEDude
On a somewhat related note, I have a Canadian friend who recently became a naturalized U.S. citizen because he had heard of a few stories of U.S. Green Card holders being stopped at the border, being denied entry, and ultimately having their Green Cards revoked. While his naturalization was being processed, he had to inform the company that he was unable to do international trips, and there were no issues.
These people who were stopped at the border had DUIs? Or were they just being stopped for no reason?
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