Originally Posted by sigep_nm

This same kind of post has gone on over and over again. The problem with it is there is a little fact contained, and almost purely speculation with regards to pay and so forth being the result of low timers. Where were all the "high timers" at when these contracts for so called terrible things were voted in?
So suppose that no low timers went to the airlines and just instructed for two years, what do you think would happen at the regional level? Will you pay magically increase as you suggest (no evidence of that in the past), or while the regional airlines be limited to less flying (remember two pulses up front required to move the plane) which is turn would result in less rev, hence lower pay. Any way you slice it, it falls PURELY ON MANAGEMENT, and management alone. Low timers didnt drive Mesaba into bankruptcy over a year ago, but guess who did? Low timers didnt make AWAC's 146's dissapear, and low timers didnt create Go Jets. Also Mesa has been around for a lot longer than the 'low timers', and you seem to think that maybe it was something good in the past. Did you know Mesa pilots used to get paid by the MILE? Now thats a good airline.

Originally Posted by Mosyslack

Window seat...How are YOU making this industry better? You are placing a lot of blame on the low-time newbies. What's your background? You're obviously an FO that's looking forward to "upgrade in a year and a half"...how long have you been at SKW? What sets you apart...you had to wait til you had 1000 hours to get hired? This is how the industry is! Mesa required an ATP to get hired at one point. Now...not so much. Republic is offering cash with previous experience. United (mainline) used to hire people who answered a newspaper article with little to no experience. Things change and this is where the industry is...deep, I know.

More education needs to get out to aspiring pilot, I'll give you that. I knew nothing when I got into flight training, and slightly more when I was hired with AMW. Maybe some sort of a program offered by the unions about the state of the industry and the true day-to-day life of an airline pilot. How about you become a mentor at the local FBO? What have you done? Stop blaming the low time new hires that are advancing their careers.

Originally Posted by POPA

Window Seat is one of many who only care as far as is possible without doing something about it.

Originally Posted by FlyingCheap

LTPs have to pay their bills just like everyone else. It's fine to already have a job at a regional or a major and tell everyone else that they shouldn't accept one so that the unions can use the supposed pilot shortage as leverage to get higher pay. Just how many years would that take? It would probably be faster if the high time pilots (htps) would all quit or refuse to fly until pay levels are increased to whatever is supposedly right. The planes aren't going to leave the ground with ltps as pic, so come on Captains, quit your jobs so we can all have better pay.

Originally Posted by FlyingCheap

the unions can use the supposed pilot shortage as leverage to get higher pay.