Future of the Delta 50 seat market

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07-08-2019 | 12:12 PM

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I don’t see Delta wanting the E145 again, they didn’t like it the first time.

What didn’t Delta like about the E145?

07-08-2019 | 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Baradium

Other than LGA, which contracts forbid larger than 50 seats?

I remember rumors that the LGA restriction was going away but don't actually have anything other than rumors that originated here.

I also believe that 70+ seat aircraft are already at the limit.

https://www.regulations.gov/document...2014-1073-0144

The failed NPRM was to switch slot restrictions to IATA 80% allocation rule for same flight schedules. This would have cost Delta billions in losses.

07-08-2019 | 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by rickair7777

If the 50's wear out or become non-economical then service will be cut. That will drive up prices as some folks will be willing to pay rather than drive hours to another airport. Eventually demand will probably justify 50-seat 700's (or the embraer equivalent) if there is simply no suitable replacement.

I don't recall if props count against the 50-seat limit? ATRs are still available new, and maybe Q-400's.

If you're young, and planning on making a career at a regional that operates a lot of 200's, you might feel some pain. For everyone else it should shake out OK one way or another.

The 50 seat requirement is a function of airport capacity. I have a friend who is an airport manager. When AA started using 700s at his airport it required several million more dollars for security and safety functions. There are carve outs to some regulations and requirements that airports only has 50 seats or less can use to not provide “standard” services.

07-09-2019 | 03:54 PM

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What didn’t Delta like about the E145?

I really don’t know, I think some of the older XY/S5 guys might be able to chime in on that one. 9E never had that type.

07-10-2019 | 08:34 AM

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I really don’t know, I think some of the older XY/S5 guys might be able to chime in on that one. 9E never had that type.

Thanks! I’m just curious.

07-10-2019 | 10:26 AM

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What didn’t Delta like about the E145?

I'm not sure that Delta didn't like the 145. YX was planning to spool down the 145 program, and that was well known. DL exercised an option to extend the contract 5 years, and Bedford said, no thanks and went to the bankruptcy court to dump it. That's how we ended up dragging planes out of the desert in 2016.

07-14-2019 | 09:07 AM

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What didn’t Delta like about the E145?

I think it was because Delta wanted pax to always have an option to fly first class.

07-14-2019 | 09:49 AM

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The 50 seaters out of ATL are packed to the brim with pax and these planes are paid off and making bank. They aren't going anywhere for atleast a little while.

07-14-2019 | 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by TimetoClimb

The 50 seaters out of ATL are packed to the brim with pax and these planes are paid off and making bank. They aren't going anywhere for atleast a little while.

Plus with Zero competition in ATL with large regional aircraft. They will use them as long as they can...