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07-24-2019 | 06:38 AM

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herewego

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That was the intent, but the reality of application almost across the board, unionized or not, appears to be that your duty day is 16 hours unless you call in fatigued.

07-24-2019 | 06:52 AM

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Which carriers? Who do you work for?

I was with ENY for three years until moving on to a gig I’ve been aiming for a long time.

07-24-2019 | 07:30 AM

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This is one place Expressjet shines. No mandatory extension; it's entirely up to the individual pilot. If you deny you just have to fill out a non-concurrance form. No punitive action. In fact, being tight on duty time and telling them you're not going to extend can often magically get you a better wheels up time to Newark.

07-24-2019 | 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by herewego

That was the intent, but the reality of application almost across the board, unionized or not, appears to be that your duty day is 16 hours unless you call in fatigued.

It’s not a max of 16 hours for all report times and number of legs...you know that, right?

GP

07-24-2019 | 07:46 AM

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I guess some of them do it right. The FAA has never had safety as their first concern. It truly is up to us to protect this industry. I left 7 years ago and I salute those who follow me.

07-24-2019 | 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by GuardPolice

It’s not a max of 16 hours for all report times and number of legs...you know that, right?

GP

Yes I'm aware.
It was easier to type 16 hours than to say something like the convoluted table b limits based upon time of day and number of legs plus 30 minutes to 2 hours.... yada yada yada
Yee olde K I S S model of typing on a phone.
Did saying 16 hours change the fact that companies are expecting... ne demanding...that we just automatically accept the extension?

07-24-2019 | 07:58 AM

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I’ll never forget the time on the JetBlue jumpseat when they were explaining about a pilot who was fired for taking off without the maintenance can. The captain looked at me and said I think it’s probably the most important thing on the aircraft. He might be right. You’ll notice in the movie with Sully it’s the last thing he grabs.

07-24-2019 | 08:23 AM

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At Mesa they call and you have to consent to the extension. On of our Feds even told a friend of mine if Mesa ever tries to force one to call him.

07-24-2019 | 08:46 AM

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At Republic the PIC has to consent to it. Captains bring the FO in in the decision as well.

07-24-2019 | 08:57 AM

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Yes "unforeseen circumstances" has been defined by the FAA as not in your original awarded schedule, I.E. your bid. So any schedule change becomes "unforeseen", very convenient. Take it up withe FAA, they made the rules and then let the carriers trample them.

FAA reports to Congress, Congress reports to lobbyists. Our friendly aviation authority is between a bit of a rock and a hard place.