Airlines requiring part 117 extensions

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07-24-2019 | 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon

FAA reports to Congress, Congress reports to lobbyists. Our friendly aviation authority is between a bit of a rock and a hard place.

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07-24-2019 | 09:20 AM

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At Envoy, yes, you must fatigue to avoid extension which involves filing a fatigue report. Depending on what is said in the report, you may or may not get paid. I have not had to fatigue but apparently they are looking for documentation on details to prove why you are fatigued (noisy hotel... what time did you call to complain at the front desk/did you file a complaint with the company for the noise, etc).

ALSO, I have heard that depending on what is in your fatigue report and what you say on the recorded line when you call in fatigue, your fatigue call may be turned into a sick call or even a missed assignment. Again, not from personal experience. I hope those are just crew room stories with a "there's more to the story" caveat, but I don't know.

07-24-2019 | 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by trip

It's a done deal, the FAA completely caved to industry pressure. To add insult to injury they claim disciplinary action or pay issues are between the company and the employee.
Fatigued is the only option unless you have other union/company agreements in place.

This is incorrect. The FAA told Delta that their policy was not acceptable and at Delta you now must accept a extension. They also said the 2 hour flight extension should be used infrequently and only under unusual circumstances.

07-24-2019 | 09:26 AM

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Maybe I’m incorrect, but I thought Extension of the FDP under FAR 117 required the consent of the pilot.....unlimited extensions of 30 minutes or less, and no more extensions until the pilot receives a 30hr break if an extension is more than 30 minutes. I’ll have to reread the regulation...perhaps I’m mistaken

This is a common misconception. 117 states the pilot must concur the extension is legal, not concur to the extension itself.

07-24-2019 | 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon

FAA reports to Congress, Congress reports to lobbyists. Our friendly aviation authority is between a bit of a rock and a hard place.

Faa does not report to Congress.
Congress could invite or subpoena the FAA.

07-24-2019 | 10:49 AM

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The whole point is that the extension can be used for “unforeseen OPERATIONAL circumstances” if need be, such as delays, re-position, etc. If one chooses not to accept this and the company makes you call fatigue, that’s completely acceptable because there is no other valid excuse. Why are you fatigued? Because I’m exceeding my normal duty time and I’m exhausted...clear cut. If the company takes punitive action (lost pay, discipline, etc.) this is 100 percent completely UNacceptable because now they’re making the pilot choose between accepting punitive damages OR operating an aircraft under a fatigued mindset. 117 was created as a proactive measure, NOT a reactionary measure.