Airlines requiring part 117 extensions
07-24-2019 | 11:12 PM
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https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...rpretation.pdf
07-25-2019 | 04:17 AM
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(2) An extension in the flight duty period under paragraph (a)(1) of this section of more than 30 minutes may occur only once prior to receiving a rest period described in § 117.25(b).
It’s certainly not legal to just expect the extension every day beyond the beyond 30 minutes. You can’t accept more than one before you get 30 hours off. That part is pretty clear. No interpretation needed. Refer dispatch to this CFR if they try to pressure you into it.
It’s certainly not legal to just expect the extension every day beyond the beyond 30 minutes. You can’t accept more than one before you get 30 hours off. That part is pretty clear. No interpretation needed. Refer dispatch to this CFR if they try to pressure you into it.
07-27-2019 | 06:36 PM
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Uhh....it says the pilot and certificate holder must agree if an extension is to be used...do you have a reference to your odd interpretation?
07-27-2019 | 08:07 PM
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Go in the FAA general counsel webpage and download the 117 extension interpretations. They supersede any local FSDO or POI.
There is one (of many) that specifically states an extension must be affirmatively agreed to on a case by case basis by the pilot and the certificate holder.
IIRC, It specifically states that automatic extensions are a no no. It does authorize signing the release to be consent proof for extensions up to 30 minutes, but you still have to consent, and consent can’t be given before the need for an extension is even known.
https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...tions/Part117/
There is one (of many) that specifically states an extension must be affirmatively agreed to on a case by case basis by the pilot and the certificate holder.
IIRC, It specifically states that automatic extensions are a no no. It does authorize signing the release to be consent proof for extensions up to 30 minutes, but you still have to consent, and consent can’t be given before the need for an extension is even known.
https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...tions/Part117/
07-28-2019 | 02:27 AM
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at OO we sign the release electronically with our Ipad, by doing this we are agreeing to any FDP extention that is known at that point, if one becomes known after signing in on our ipad it is up to us to notify that we are fatigued if we do not plan to work the flight. we are not allowed to not agree to the extention, we can only call fatigued, so far no one has hired a lawyer to challenge this interpretation seeing as our representation is funded by management, they will concur with whatever mgmnt says.
07-28-2019 | 03:24 AM
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07-28-2019 | 03:31 AM
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That’s exactly right. It’s called “self-reporting” or “self-disclosure.” The company fesses up, gets a lighter penalty than if the violation is discovered by an FAA audit (they mighty get a fine or something), but it puts the pilot in the crosshairs.
07-28-2019 | 04:35 AM
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In my part time gig I'm an Air Force WX forecaster with the Guard. I take exception to saying weather is an unforseen operational circumstance. I'd say that in regards to weather, planning fails to plan properly, IMHO.
07-28-2019 | 04:40 AM
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Some airlines have tried to say critical levels of understaffing (IE extending people for flights that have been uncovered in open time for weeks) are an “unforeseen operational circumstance”.
07-28-2019 | 04:43 AM
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And the TAFs are always right on the money? If the forecast is such that it’s illegal to depart, that’s it.
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