Choosing between Envoy, Skywest and Republic
08-13-2019, 02:24 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by TheWeatherman
Come Jan 1st, a 3 year CA at RAH will make $95.06 an hour, a 5 year CA will make $100 an hour.
In other words, a new CA upgrade at Republic will make just as much as your most senior pilot at Envoy. Wow, just wow.
In other words, a new CA upgrade at Republic will make just as much as your most senior pilot at Envoy. Wow, just wow.
Where did I compare Envoy to Republic? The comparison was to the industry average. Envoy is not "industry low, by far" like you claim, but slightly above average.
08-13-2019, 05:04 PM
#32
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Originally Posted by dera
I'm not sure how it's possible to miss a point as much as you just did.
Where did I compare Envoy to Republic? The comparison was to the industry average. Envoy is not "industry low, by far" like you claim, but slightly above average.
Where did I compare Envoy to Republic? The comparison was to the industry average. Envoy is not "industry low, by far" like you claim, but slightly above average.
That pretty much says it all about management-employee relations. Lots of better places to get your hours and leave from these days. Even PSA - as much as I hate to say it - is a better choice right now. I’d love for my old airline to be a good place for guys to go, but it just isn’t. There are far better choices these days.
It’s a great time to be a pilot.
08-13-2019, 05:13 PM
#33
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
Please factor in the QOL. There is a reason ALPA has to have two attorneys assigned to Envoy.... most regionals share an ALPA attorney.
That pretty much says it all about management-employee relations. Lots of better places to get your hours and leave from these days. Even PSA - as much as I hate to say it - is a better choice right now. I’d love for my old airline to be a good place for guys to go, but it just isn’t. There are far better choices these days.
It’s a great time to be a pilot.
That pretty much says it all about management-employee relations. Lots of better places to get your hours and leave from these days. Even PSA - as much as I hate to say it - is a better choice right now. I’d love for my old airline to be a good place for guys to go, but it just isn’t. There are far better choices these days.
It’s a great time to be a pilot.
What is the accepted factor for QOL so I can add that to the calculations? Give me a number.
You think GoJet or Mesa has better QOL?
Read my post. Envoy isn't nr1 by far. It's above average for pay, and average for work rules.
btw. Things have changed since you've been here. They don't roam around crew lounges looking for uniform violations so they can hand out step letters. Those CP's are long gone.
The senior guys (talking 200 and lower) say things are a lot better than they were a few years ago.
08-13-2019, 05:37 PM
#35
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Originally Posted by rld1k
Comparing hourly pay is very disingenuous. Not surprising dera only focuses on that number
RAH/EDV have better contracts. Mesa/GoJet/Commutair etc don't. Again - we are above average, but not at the top.
08-13-2019, 06:00 PM
#36
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Originally Posted by dera
No it isn't. It's the only quantitative number we can use. Unless you can come up with something better. You have something in mind?
RAH/EDV have better contracts. Mesa/GoJet/Commutair etc don't. Again - we are above average, but not at the top.
RAH/EDV have better contracts. Mesa/GoJet/Commutair etc don't. Again - we are above average, but not at the top.
08-13-2019, 06:02 PM
#37
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Originally Posted by rld1k
Yeah, there's a thread comparing paychecks. Ask a counterpart at RAH or elsewhere to compare pay stubs. It isn't close
At Mesa, GoJet etc, yeah let's compare pay stubs. We make more.
08-13-2019, 06:13 PM
#38
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Originally Posted by dera
You can't read, right? I just said RAH and EDV make more than we do.
At Mesa, GoJet etc, yeah let's compare pay stubs. We make more.
At Mesa, GoJet etc, yeah let's compare pay stubs. We make more.
08-13-2019, 06:24 PM
#39
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Originally Posted by rld1k
A friend at Mesa is getting 10k+paychecks. Also disingenuous to say average when we are above 1 or 2 bottom feeders and the rest make 20%+more with more time off. But let's be honest envoy has been a bottom feeder for awhile now
We are above most, and behind a few. That was the whole point wasn't it? We are above average. I wasn't saying average is good enough.
I'm talking about the worst case scenario, you have to compare apples to apples.
If we are talking "averages", you are forgetting we have a bunch of lifers who are making 18 year LRJ pay, $121/hr. A lot of them picking up OT at 200%, some of them while doing IOE. That's almost $290/hr.
I'm ignoring all of these, so please skip the 300% Mesa guys too, because that's just not very fair to the rest of the industry.
08-14-2019, 09:25 AM
#40
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I wouldn't bet on OO staying in LGA. They're shifting Delta 175 flying out to LAX, SLC, and SEA to cover once Compass winds down.
Republic would be my choice for NYC. Endeavor is something to consider if you want to end up at Delta.
Republic would be my choice for NYC. Endeavor is something to consider if you want to end up at Delta.
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