Skywest CRJ Emergency Procedures & Limitations Test
05-06-2007 | 03:30 PM
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05-06-2007 | 03:37 PM
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No, your first week of class is Indoc so they won’t test you on systems. On the first day of systems which is week 2 (Monday) you’ll receive the Limitations and Memory Items (know as the EP&L, Emergency Procedures & Limitations) test BUT it's only practice. You'll have to know all the 200 EP&L Items that are underlined, verbatim. After you complete the practice test you'll hand it to the person next to you and they'll grade it. After completion the instructor will tell you the test is practice and now you know what you have to work on. BUT understand that when you actually take the EP&L test, on Tuesday of the last week, you're only allowed to miss 2 or 3, any more and you fail (have to take it over). Missing 2 or 3 in my mind is unacceptable; you shouldn’t miss any after you take the practice test (get to keep) which is the EXACT test as the final EP&L test. Failing the test will count as one strike and you only get three strikes through out training which includes ground, sim and IOE. BUT if you can't complete IOE in 50 hours then that's it, it's over for you no exceptions, not to worry I only know of 1 or 2 that had this problem out of 800 or so they've hired in the last year.
05-08-2007 | 02:38 PM
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well thats skywest culture for you. its captain captain captain. Trust me i was bugging the training department about it but they said thats just they way theyve always done it. I see your concern bla, but at least the captain upgrade makes sure those guys are ready.
Along the same lines, show me another airline where the PF has to make his own positive rate, altitude, and approach minimums callouts? That bothered the crap out of me. i felt like a single pilot. That needs to be changed asap. theres a reason two people sit up front.
Skywest should call it PF (pilot flying) and PDNBT (Pilot doesnt need to be there)
Along the same lines, show me another airline where the PF has to make his own positive rate, altitude, and approach minimums callouts? That bothered the crap out of me. i felt like a single pilot. That needs to be changed asap. theres a reason two people sit up front.
Skywest should call it PF (pilot flying) and PDNBT (Pilot doesnt need to be there)
1) They are training you to be a captain
When you are close to the ground
2) I feel the pilot flying should ensure he/she is climbing AWAY from the ground so a positive rate call by the PF is appropriate. What if it's a LO VIS takeoff? I can tell you that I will be looking to ensure I am climbing VS. leaving that responsibility to the PNF.
3) Same with an approach. a) tells the PNF that you haven't dropped dead the last 300' because he/she can hear the calls . . . b) helps ensure that the PF has situational awareness as he nears the ground.
05-08-2007 | 02:42 PM
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1) They are training you to be a captain
When you are close to the ground
2) I feel the pilot flying should ensure he/she is climbing AWAY from the ground so a positive rate call by the PF is appropriate. What if it's a LO VIS takeoff? I can tell you that I will be looking to ensure I am climbing VS. leaving that responsibility to the PNF.
3) Same with an approach. a) tells the PNF that you haven't dropped dead the last 300' because he/she can hear the calls . . . b) helps ensure that the PF has situational awareness as he nears the ground.
When you are close to the ground
2) I feel the pilot flying should ensure he/she is climbing AWAY from the ground so a positive rate call by the PF is appropriate. What if it's a LO VIS takeoff? I can tell you that I will be looking to ensure I am climbing VS. leaving that responsibility to the PNF.
3) Same with an approach. a) tells the PNF that you haven't dropped dead the last 300' because he/she can hear the calls . . . b) helps ensure that the PF has situational awareness as he nears the ground.
ellen i know it feels like were just butting heads all day long, but i respectfully disagree. all the points you made are correct and valid, but this is a crew airplane with a pilot flying and a pilot monitoring. The pilot monitoring notifies the PF and the PF acknowledges, because they PF already is on his instruments.
The positive rate call by the PNF is especially important for an engine failure. The PF is going to have his or hands FULL!!! the pilot monitoring provides that confirmation that the airplane is climbing away.
I normally dont use the "every other airline does it this way" justification. but, "every other airline does it this way."
05-08-2007 | 02:45 PM
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1) They are training you to be a captain
When you are close to the ground
2) I feel the pilot flying should ensure he/she is climbing AWAY from the ground so a positive rate call by the PF is appropriate. What if it's a LO VIS takeoff? I can tell you that I will be looking to ensure I am climbing VS. leaving that responsibility to the PNF.
3) Same with an approach. a) tells the PNF that you haven't dropped dead the last 300' because he/she can hear the calls . . . b) helps ensure that the PF has situational awareness as he nears the ground.
When you are close to the ground
2) I feel the pilot flying should ensure he/she is climbing AWAY from the ground so a positive rate call by the PF is appropriate. What if it's a LO VIS takeoff? I can tell you that I will be looking to ensure I am climbing VS. leaving that responsibility to the PNF.
3) Same with an approach. a) tells the PNF that you haven't dropped dead the last 300' because he/she can hear the calls . . . b) helps ensure that the PF has situational awareness as he nears the ground.
3) At pinnacle the PM calls out 100 above MDA/DH and the PF responds with Checks. That assures that the PF isn't dead. b) AND OMFG if the PILOT FLYING THE PLANE AT 200 FEET HAS NO SA THEN THEIR A SS SHOULD BE DOING SOMETHING ELSE!!!!
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