What is the deal with GoJets??
05-08-2007 | 08:04 PM
#61
Underboob King
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From: Guppy Commander
He is posting flamebait, but I do agree with some of his posts.
When you walk around with your hair all spiked out, it doesn't look professional. When you walk around wearing a half dozen rings on various fingers, you don't look professional. When you walk around wearing a windbreaker and sunvisor, you don't look professional...IMHO.
I'm sorry, but this latest generation coming into the workforce is pretty sad. These people are EXPECTING to be offered whatever job they want because mommy and daddy said thats what should happen. Its a generation of entitlement. They show up at interviews in flipflops and little hippy skirts. Had a flight attendant refuse a junior man...she called her mom after receiving it, her mom said she didn't have to do it, so as she was marching off the airplane past us she says "my momma says I don't have to do no XXX turn" and proceeded to walk of the aircraft. Pretty soon you're going to start seeing parents going to these job recruitment fairs, trying to get little Bobby or Julie their first flying gig. Unbelievable...
As far as the regionals "stealing" the flying from the majors...whatever. The majors had their chance to fly all the RJ's they wanted, but they thought they were too good for them and didn't want to fly such small aircraft. Thus, they went to the regionals. Although it is amusing, it is still BS that flying is being transferred from one place to another because people stand up for themselves. The biggest BS is that its accepted at someplace like skypest, for whatever reason, but somewhere else its really frowned on. Its the same crap! ASA was suppose to be flying those 900's, but since skypest is willing to fly them for next to nothing...they get them. Unfortunately, its happened before and will happen again.
When you walk around with your hair all spiked out, it doesn't look professional. When you walk around wearing a half dozen rings on various fingers, you don't look professional. When you walk around wearing a windbreaker and sunvisor, you don't look professional...IMHO.
I'm sorry, but this latest generation coming into the workforce is pretty sad. These people are EXPECTING to be offered whatever job they want because mommy and daddy said thats what should happen. Its a generation of entitlement. They show up at interviews in flipflops and little hippy skirts. Had a flight attendant refuse a junior man...she called her mom after receiving it, her mom said she didn't have to do it, so as she was marching off the airplane past us she says "my momma says I don't have to do no XXX turn" and proceeded to walk of the aircraft. Pretty soon you're going to start seeing parents going to these job recruitment fairs, trying to get little Bobby or Julie their first flying gig. Unbelievable...
As far as the regionals "stealing" the flying from the majors...whatever. The majors had their chance to fly all the RJ's they wanted, but they thought they were too good for them and didn't want to fly such small aircraft. Thus, they went to the regionals. Although it is amusing, it is still BS that flying is being transferred from one place to another because people stand up for themselves. The biggest BS is that its accepted at someplace like skypest, for whatever reason, but somewhere else its really frowned on. Its the same crap! ASA was suppose to be flying those 900's, but since skypest is willing to fly them for next to nothing...they get them. Unfortunately, its happened before and will happen again.
WELL SAID!!
05-08-2007 | 08:19 PM
#62
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Sorry to say, but it is not true at all that if you go to Go Jets you'll have a hard time getting on with a mainline..If you were to randomly ask a Southwest, United, Delta Captain anything about Go Jets I can guarantee you that they could care less who flies what CRJ, in there eyes your all the same. Sad but its true.
05-09-2007 | 06:06 AM
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Sorry to say, but it is not true at all that if you go to Go Jets you'll have a hard time getting on with a mainline..If you were to randomly ask a Southwest, United, Delta Captain anything about Go Jets I can guarantee you that they could care less who flies what CRJ, in there eyes your all the same. Sad but its true.
05-09-2007 | 06:08 AM
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05-09-2007 | 06:54 AM
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GoArmy –
I do believe GoJets pilots do get hired with the majors; I think the main difference might be that some of the GoJeters might have fewer recommendations/sponsors than they’d have had if they worked for a different company which I think is very important in this industry.
I read your posts over and over again and I’m not quite sure what you’re saying. I assume you currently work at GoJets and are defending your position?
Well, let me ask you this – are you saying that airlines should be able to cancel out any pilot contracts whenever it pleases them? For example, let’s say an airline’s management wants to lower the average pay at brand A but the pilots won’t agree to it. So the management starts a new alter–ego brand Ax where the pay is slightly less but the equipment is larger so in fact the pilot salaries are actually even lower when counted per passenger. If you are ok with that, what’s to say the same airline won’t start airline Axx, and then Axxx, etc. within months to save the money even more?
I totally agree with you that most regional airlines’ pay and benefits (or lack of) are ridiculous, however are you saying that total surrender is the answer?
I am not a militant union guy however do you honestly think the pay and benefits at FedEx, SWA, UPS would be this high if it wasn’t for the pilots’ strong commitment to each other? I mean, c’mon, capitalism always prevails (and I’m a big proponent of capitalism) however, if the managements at all airlines could make it happen we would all be living on minimum wage. And frankly they’d be doing what they are supposed to be doing as the managements’ job at all airlines is to make as much money for their company as they can.
Well, the pilots have to look after each other too, so it’s a little bit of a balancing act between the airlines and the pilot groups.
Companies such as GoJets throw this balance off. Why should an airline negotiate with its pilots when they can simply start up a new airline and pay the pilots less that way?
If you think there’s nothing wrong with GoJets and that anyone should be able to work at such an airline please consider this…isn’t it sort of like saying, “well I am all for democracy but only if people vote the way I want them to.” “If I disagree with the majority vote, I will follow my own lead!” Like in Mexico where two “presidents” were sworn in at the same time?…
So I guess my question is, would you please explain why you are defending GoJets so much without getting into bashing of all the other regionals?
Because we all know they do suck as well however in a different, much less backstabbing way.
I do believe GoJets pilots do get hired with the majors; I think the main difference might be that some of the GoJeters might have fewer recommendations/sponsors than they’d have had if they worked for a different company which I think is very important in this industry.
I read your posts over and over again and I’m not quite sure what you’re saying. I assume you currently work at GoJets and are defending your position?
Well, let me ask you this – are you saying that airlines should be able to cancel out any pilot contracts whenever it pleases them? For example, let’s say an airline’s management wants to lower the average pay at brand A but the pilots won’t agree to it. So the management starts a new alter–ego brand Ax where the pay is slightly less but the equipment is larger so in fact the pilot salaries are actually even lower when counted per passenger. If you are ok with that, what’s to say the same airline won’t start airline Axx, and then Axxx, etc. within months to save the money even more?
I totally agree with you that most regional airlines’ pay and benefits (or lack of) are ridiculous, however are you saying that total surrender is the answer?
I am not a militant union guy however do you honestly think the pay and benefits at FedEx, SWA, UPS would be this high if it wasn’t for the pilots’ strong commitment to each other? I mean, c’mon, capitalism always prevails (and I’m a big proponent of capitalism) however, if the managements at all airlines could make it happen we would all be living on minimum wage. And frankly they’d be doing what they are supposed to be doing as the managements’ job at all airlines is to make as much money for their company as they can.
Well, the pilots have to look after each other too, so it’s a little bit of a balancing act between the airlines and the pilot groups.
Companies such as GoJets throw this balance off. Why should an airline negotiate with its pilots when they can simply start up a new airline and pay the pilots less that way?
If you think there’s nothing wrong with GoJets and that anyone should be able to work at such an airline please consider this…isn’t it sort of like saying, “well I am all for democracy but only if people vote the way I want them to.” “If I disagree with the majority vote, I will follow my own lead!” Like in Mexico where two “presidents” were sworn in at the same time?…
So I guess my question is, would you please explain why you are defending GoJets so much without getting into bashing of all the other regionals?
Because we all know they do suck as well however in a different, much less backstabbing way.
05-09-2007 | 07:10 AM
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ok. Gojet no matter what the ruling says, is an alter ego airline designed to get around TSA's contract. TSA created Gojet internally.
Skywest didnt create an alter ego airline because theyre non union and therefore an alter ego airline cant possibly exist. They purchased ASA which is union. As much as i HATE the fact that skywest is non union, i disagree with the comparison of them to the TSA/Gojet situation.
However, I do believe that ASA pilots who jump ship and go to Skywest are in fact acting like GoJetters. ASA keeps their date of hire (not their seniority) when they move to skywest, and they essentially screw their pilot group over when they leave for their sister airline
Skywest didnt create an alter ego airline because theyre non union and therefore an alter ego airline cant possibly exist. They purchased ASA which is union. As much as i HATE the fact that skywest is non union, i disagree with the comparison of them to the TSA/Gojet situation.
However, I do believe that ASA pilots who jump ship and go to Skywest are in fact acting like GoJetters. ASA keeps their date of hire (not their seniority) when they move to skywest, and they essentially screw their pilot group over when they leave for their sister airline
05-09-2007 | 04:44 PM
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So I have to admit that when it comes right down to it, I don't understand how Gojet taking business from TSA is any different from Skywest taking business from ASA. Can someone explain without flaming?
Good question and it’s really not that easy to explain as frankly I’m not quite sure myself, but this is what I’m thinking…
Skywest and ASA used to be two different airlines and they competed with each other for the “privilege” (lol) of being a commuter airline for a specific major airline (Delta).
One day Skywest bought out ASA however, at least for now, the two companies are kept as separate entities even though they might merge in the future. So in effect, they are still two competing airlines for now even though they both serve under the same umbrella. There are many reasons to why airlines are often kept separate even though they are owned by the same company – from a pure management perspective it is actually a brilliant tactic to pitch several airlines against each other in order to keep the wages down – some examples: DHL: ABX versus Astar. ATA Holdings: ATA Airlines vs. North American vs. World Airways. Republic Holdings: Republic Airways vs. Shuttle America vs. Chautauqua. Of course I’m simplifying things a tad just to make a point here.
With GoJets, in my view, it’s totally different because TSA and GOJets were never two separate airlines that ended up merging. Instead, when the management wasn’t happy with the pilots at one airline it simply “replaced” them by creating a new airline from within. Sort of like when a child misbehaves, instead of dealing with the kid the mother goes ahead and adopts another child so she won’t have to deal with the troublemaker again. I know it’s probably a pretty stupid comparison, but that’s all I can think of right now.
Basically, GoJets’ ONLY purpose was to bypass the whole negotiation process with the pilots of TSA.
The goal of ASA and the goal of Skywest was to get as much flying for themselves as they could because the were simply competitors in the regional transportation market. ...and technically, they are still competitors for now...
Good question and it’s really not that easy to explain as frankly I’m not quite sure myself, but this is what I’m thinking…
Skywest and ASA used to be two different airlines and they competed with each other for the “privilege” (lol) of being a commuter airline for a specific major airline (Delta).
One day Skywest bought out ASA however, at least for now, the two companies are kept as separate entities even though they might merge in the future. So in effect, they are still two competing airlines for now even though they both serve under the same umbrella. There are many reasons to why airlines are often kept separate even though they are owned by the same company – from a pure management perspective it is actually a brilliant tactic to pitch several airlines against each other in order to keep the wages down – some examples: DHL: ABX versus Astar. ATA Holdings: ATA Airlines vs. North American vs. World Airways. Republic Holdings: Republic Airways vs. Shuttle America vs. Chautauqua. Of course I’m simplifying things a tad just to make a point here.
With GoJets, in my view, it’s totally different because TSA and GOJets were never two separate airlines that ended up merging. Instead, when the management wasn’t happy with the pilots at one airline it simply “replaced” them by creating a new airline from within. Sort of like when a child misbehaves, instead of dealing with the kid the mother goes ahead and adopts another child so she won’t have to deal with the troublemaker again. I know it’s probably a pretty stupid comparison, but that’s all I can think of right now.
Basically, GoJets’ ONLY purpose was to bypass the whole negotiation process with the pilots of TSA.
The goal of ASA and the goal of Skywest was to get as much flying for themselves as they could because the were simply competitors in the regional transportation market. ...and technically, they are still competitors for now...
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