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Old 12-05-2019 | 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
The reality is...

People think it's real, so we have to react accordingly.
No, we don't.

There is no need to cater to the insane asylum.


That being said, if the government should be doing research at all (it shouldn't) then I agree fusion should be the focus. When fusion is viable, the world changes forever.
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Old 12-05-2019 | 07:16 PM
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Interesting quote from your link: It's important to note that this fallacy should not be used to dismiss the claims of experts, or scientific consensus
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Old 12-06-2019 | 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
No, we don't.

There is no need to cater to the insane asylum.
Either tolerate them or shoot them. I'd rather try to tolerate them first. I've seen first hand on the ground what civil instability looks like.

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That being said, if the government should be doing research at all (it shouldn't) then I agree fusion should be the focus. When fusion is viable, the world changes forever.
Fusion is already viable. It can even generate a slight net positive output. Needs to be more economical.
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Old 12-06-2019 | 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
Interesting quote from your link: It's important to note that this fallacy should not be used to dismiss the claims of experts, or scientific consensus
Except that there isn't consensus in the scientific community on the cause of climate change.
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Old 12-06-2019 | 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
Except that there isn't consensus in the scientific community on the cause of climate change.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/begging-the-question

The burden of evidence in scientific realms say otherwise.

But you already knew this.
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Old 12-08-2019 | 09:20 PM
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I'm not going to change my lifestyle bad on alarmists nonsense. Shame me all to want, I just don't care.
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Old 12-09-2019 | 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
You must get your news from CNN...

Answer these questions:

- why is the climate changing on Mars?

- why did the climate change on Earth millions of years before the Industrial Revolution?

- does the sun maintain a constant intensity/output?

- is the orbit of the Earth around the sun a constant distance, or does it ever change?


When you think about the answers to those questions then get back to us.
Very good post, BUT let's take a more balanced point of view.

The frustrating thing about climate change discussions is that people take it to the extreme on both sides of the argument. Similar to politics in the US.

I agree that the natural effects you mentioned likely outweigh the man made effects (which DO exist). However, the unfortunate danger of this conclusion is that people will think they have a green pass to whatever they please with the environment.

Consider this simple thought...

Ignore the greenhouse effect discussions. Look at raw resources. We have a LIMITED amount of coal, oil, iron, etc on Earth. As a simple math problem, one day we will run out of 1) materials to use to feed our ever-growing society and 2) places to throw our trash away. We need to do a better job in using our resources in a more sustainable way.
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Old 12-09-2019 | 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by lightspeed12
Very good post, BUT let's take a more balanced point of view.

The frustrating thing about climate change discussions is that people take it to the extreme on both sides of the argument. Similar to politics in the US.

I agree that the natural effects you mentioned likely outweigh the man made effects (which DO exist). However, the unfortunate danger of this conclusion is that people will think they have a green pass to whatever they please with the environment.

Consider this simple thought...

Ignore the greenhouse effect discussions. Look at raw resources. We have a LIMITED amount of coal, oil, iron, etc on Earth. As a simple math problem, one day we will run out of 1) materials to use to feed our ever-growing society and 2) places to throw our trash away. We need to do a better job in using our resources in a more sustainable way.
Renewables don't exist. We don't have the resources, or technology to store energy on an industrial scale. That's why every major University, and science foundation is working on the space based solar farm. You basically have four choices to deal with the climate, continue on as is, live in the stone age, build a solar space farm the size of Australia, or have nuclear(fission/fusion).
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Old 12-09-2019 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by lightspeed12

Ignore the greenhouse effect discussions. Look at raw resources. We have a LIMITED amount of coal, oil, iron, etc on Earth. As a simple math problem, one day we will run out of 1) materials to use to feed our ever-growing society and 2) places to throw our trash away. We need to do a better job in using our resources in a more sustainable way.
We are not running out of places to dispose of trash. And there is strong speculation that oil is in fact a renewable resource.
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Old 12-09-2019 | 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
We are not running out of places to dispose of trash. And there is strong speculation that oil is in fact a renewable resource.
Oil is renewable? Are you serious? Please cite your sources.
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