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dera 12-15-2019 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by lbell (Post 2939562)
Since the OP stated he wanted to stay at the Regional....Republic is a better choice. It would take him 10 years at Envoy (92.00 as per the rates listed on APC ENVOY PROFILE) to reach the same pay as a year 3 Captain (based on Jan 1, 2020 rates) at Republic. This is for the 145 at Envoy since he wants to be based in NYC.

10 year CA makes 101/hr at Envoy.

lbell 12-15-2019 02:25 PM

3-yr Cpt at Republic is 95.06, 6-yr 101.67, & 10-yr 111.50

dera 12-15-2019 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by lbell (Post 2939597)
3-yr Cpt at Republic is 95.06, 6-yr 101.67, & 10-yr 111.50

6 years is listed as $95/hr, is the APC profile not accurate?

The 10 year pay rates aren't really relevant at Envoy. Envoy has no 10 year captains who are there because they can't get hired elsewhere.
Going to a regional and planning to stay there for 14 years is pretty crazy.

lbell 12-15-2019 02:32 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2939600)
6 years is listed as $95/hr, is the APC profile not accurate?

The 10 year pay rates aren't really relevant at Envoy. Envoy has no 10 year captains who are there because they can't get hired elsewhere.

These are the new rates that go in effect Jan 1, 2020.....I am guessing APC won't update them until Jan 1, 2020....If the OP wants to stay at the Regional like he/she posted, then 10-yr rates are applicable, assuming age 65 doesn't get them before 10 years....

dera 12-15-2019 02:39 PM


Originally Posted by lbell (Post 2939601)
These are the new rates that go in effect Jan 1, 2020.....I am guessing APC won't update them until Jan 1, 2020....If the OP wants to stay at the Regional like he/she posted, then 10-yr rates are applicable, assuming age 65 doesn't get them before 10 years....

If you really intend to become a lifer, then RAH is not a bad gig right now. But with 14 years left, there are so many opportunities for a much, much better career elsewhere. 14 years is an eternity in the regional industry. Only a couple of years ago, Republic was the bottom feeder. Who knows what it looks like in the next decade and a half. Regional should never be a career plan if you have more than 2-3 years left.

Longhornmaniac8 12-15-2019 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by Skyhawkie (Post 2939541)
My only concern with Republic is the 2 hour call out on reserve, I agree with you about everything else. I live about 1 hour and 10 minutes from LGA without any traffic at all. With rush hour traffic it could possibly be just over 2 hours. I know it’s only a couple of months if that but was curious how others have handled a similar situation. Envoy has a 3 hour call out in NYC.

2-hour call out to show time. Which still gives you 45 minutes to get the parking brake dropped. If you're a few minutes late and communicate with the crew, it's really not a big deal. If you're really worried about it, drive part way and hang out somewhere if your reserve period includes rush hour.

It doesn't affect me one way or another where you go, but you're way overthinking this. Republic is the best option in NYC, period. Your fears of only being ~45 minutes inside the callout is pretty silly to those of us that have done it. And I mean that in a good way. I'd kill to have a 1 hour drive to my base. VERY few reserve calls are 2 hour callouts. Maybe 1 in 15-20. Many are for the next day. And you can generally figure out where you fall in the reserve pecking order using our software and/or just calling Crew Scheduling.

All for just a couple of months of reserve.

LoneStar32 12-15-2019 03:07 PM

The point isn't what you make after 10 years it is what you make after 3 years. Republic would be the highest by far. Endeavor may have slightly higher pay rates but it will take you longer to get that CA pay there. In this upcoming hiring environment is that something you want to sacrifice for low QOL and crappy pay at Envoy?

Skyhawkie 12-15-2019 03:19 PM


Originally Posted by LoneStar32 (Post 2939624)
The point isn't what you make after 10 years it is what you make after 3 years. Republic would be the highest by far. Endeavor may have slightly higher pay rates but it will take you longer to get that CA pay there. In this upcoming hiring environment is that something you want to sacrifice for low QOL and crappy pay at Envoy?

I have heard that if you work 10 years at Endeavor you’ll receive travel benefits for life for you and your family on Delta. Includes children up to 23. I believe it’s the same for Envoy with AA. Does Republic have something similar?

LoneStar32 12-15-2019 05:06 PM

yes



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dera 12-15-2019 05:28 PM


Originally Posted by Skyhawkie (Post 2939634)
I have heard that if you work 10 years at Endeavor you’ll receive travel benefits for life for you and your family on Delta. Includes children up to 23. I believe it’s the same for Envoy with AA. Does Republic have something similar?

Ask ASA/XJT how the "lifetime" travel benefits worked with Delta for them.


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