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Former Blue Angel... ex-wife(s)
Wife is the only ex, everything else is former.
Must have been Delta.

Your name might show up on some TSA/Homeland blacklist. This is actually fairly common. Go get Global Entry, this will build a specific file for your name. If your name is indeed similar to a blacklisted person it will assign you a special reference number which you should pass on during future background checks etc

Nothing about it makes sense except maybe you need to work on your interview skills. You said you know how to interview, but as someone who has interviewed people before, it is unbelievable what some people think is an appropriate answer to questions. I recommend going to an interview service and seeing what they have to say.

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Originally Posted by jimpix89 (Post 2962276)

Background.. 1470 hours, clean FAA record, no criminal history, no DUI or anything. I have a 4 year degree with honors from a good university. I’m in my mid 20s. I’ve checked and rechecked my application. Worst thing is that I had a string of bad luck with driving in the last 18 months. I got pulled over 3 times, twice for speeding 10% over the limit (both times they were deferred and dropped from my driving record after 90 days.) I also got nailed during those same traffic stops for having a headlight out and license plates expired. I know, I messed up on these stupid little things but learned from it.

I interviewed with Envoy, showed up prepared with all paperwork and thoroughly studied. Interview went great, was told I was well prepared and did a good job. But 9 days later I got an email saying “we’re sorry, we can’t consider you at this time, apply again in 6 months.

So I applied to Mesa, they called me and I got a phone screen an hour later. It went fine. But then I get the same rejection email 30 minutes later.

Seems your definitions of fine and great aren't the same as Envoy and Mesa.

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Originally Posted by MaxPax89 (Post 2963357)

Seems your definitions of fine and great aren't the same as Envoy and Mesa.

Maybe, maybe not, As we've discussed it could have been something they found after the interview.

Check your social media. Both Envoy and Mesa screen your online presence during the interview process. Neither company will take a risk with someone they view as a social liability.

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Originally Posted by jimpix89 (Post 2962276)

Background.. 1470 hours, clean FAA record, no criminal history, no DUI or anything. I have a 4 year degree with honors from a good university. I’m in my mid 20s. I’ve checked and rechecked my application. Worst thing is that I had a string of bad luck with driving in the last 18 months. I got pulled over 3 times, twice for speeding 10% over the limit (both times they were deferred and dropped from my driving record after 90 days.) I also got nailed during those same traffic stops for having a headlight out and license plates expired. I know, I messed up on these stupid little things but learned from it.

I interviewed with Envoy, showed up prepared with all paperwork and thoroughly studied. Interview went great, was told I was well prepared and did a good job. But 9 days later I got an email saying “we’re sorry, we can’t consider you at this time, apply again in 6 months.

So I applied to Mesa, they called me and I got a phone screen an hour later. It went fine. But then I get the same rejection email 30 minutes later.

I know how to interview because I went through many while trying to get a job out of college and I received offers. I’ve always shown up prepared and well dressed, shoes shined, paperwork in order.

What gives? Im prepared to bring at least 5 if not 10 recommendation letters to my next interview. I’m baffled especially in this hiring environment. Nervous to keep interviewing if this is going to keep happening, possibly closing more doors!

You're getting great advice here. Sometimes you may *think* you did great at the interview or phone screening but are completely unaware that what you might consider "great" isn't what the interviewer perceived.

After two TBNT this close together, whether or not it was just bad luck, it's time to get a professional interview company involved. Emerald Coast is probably a good place to start. None of this is entirely out of the ordinary either, btw. It happens.

There are people with DUIs and airplane accidents at Mesa. I doubt they care about some civil traffic infractions.

For them to say no 30 minutes after a phone call, it must be something fairly obvious.

A professional aviation interview prep company is now the best thing you could do.

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Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2963388)

Maybe, maybe not, As we've discussed it could have been something they found after the interview.

I don’t think think there’s much they could find in 30 minutes. That’s basically just enough time for the interview panel to confirm they all agree and then pass on the “no” to HR.

He messed up in the interview somewhere.

Do you have any friends that are already 121 pilots? Find someone that would be unbiased and do a mock interview with them. Ask them if anything out of the ordinary stands out.